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Sebenza lock failure?

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Moonberrys

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I'm not sure if anyone has seen these videos or if I am reposting. If this is a repost let me know and I will close the thread. But im interested to see what people think about this video, he pretty much calls the sebenza and umnumzaan garbage and then shows the lock failing. I'm not really sure if this is legit or not so I'll let you all have a look at it.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-GARi8Q8GM
 
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I don't plan to add pressure in the direction that was shown in the linked video. I feel very confident about the structural integrity of the knives for my uses.
 
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I've never seen that video before. The guy is a little jerky, but I notice he whacked the Sebenza's but not the other knives. He also added a lot of pressure from the back of the blade to come towards the frame. I would never use my folders in that manner, they are designed to slice not to pry inwards. All the pressure should be sharp end down, pressure up towards the back of the knife, with your hand gripping the frame lock. He is was not gripping the frame lock at all and not using the knife the way it was designed to be used when he forces what he refers to as a failure.

I am not a knife expert by any measurement standard, but his approach to using the frame lock knife is not my approach to using them. His statement about the lock bar wearing is nothing new, we all address percentage of lock up because we are are all aware that over time any metal that is positioned to cause friction, wears with time. Keeping it clean and lubed addresses the issue of friction wear but it does not prevent it. Although I think the process of wear is a long time line when you read and see the pictures of Sebenza's used and carried by the owner for years of service. So, I basically think he is a "bubble off level" when he abuses the knives the way he demonstrates in the video. YMMV and that is your right :).
 
Seems like he has an agenda, plus he sounds incredibly ignorant giving all those "facts" on framelocks.
 
This dude is a mental case! I've watched a few of his knife abuse/torture videos (unfortunately).
He pushes everything to the absolute extreme until it fails and then advises people to avoid the particular knife or lock mechanism.
After humoring these ridiculous videos i've come to conclude that he is in fact a complete tool. Everything has its limits.
 
It's a little rediculous. I can force all my folders to failure and even break all of my fixed blades. Ruining all of those folders for the benefit of making a completely uninformed video doesn't seem logical. This guy is never going to find a folder to suit his criteria.
 
It's my understanding that every folder will fold one way or another, it's unavoidable.
Even the best fixed blades can fail (break) under extreme conditions.
 
I'd like to see him spine whack all of the knives.

Sebenza- Had about 20-30 percent lockup. This is the reason I don't want early lockup. You know, incase I want to put a lot of pressure closing the knife with the lock bar engaged.
Umnumzaan- Failed at making the lock fail. Had to spine whack the knife. I'm not ever going to whack a board or something harder with the back of my knife. I buy knives to cut things with.

If you do a demonstration/comparison video *anyone for that matter* try not to sound like those conspiracy theorists.

That being said I agree with some points made. Frame locks are not the best but that doesn't deter me from buying them because I don't use them for tactical purposes or extreme use. Fixed blades do a much better job for harder use and that is fact.
 
This thread serves to let everyone know not to buy from that guy. If he sells knives as he claims, he is one of most self dmaging and backwards business people I've ever seen. I would agree that he is flakey and personally I would not trust him as far as I could throw him.

If you require a tool to cut, a knife will work. If you require a hammer, a knife will not work. Common sense should indicate that much.
 
I find it ironic how he boast about the Sage2. He say's its a much safer knife and would trust it over a CRK all day long but turns around an says that titanium knives are soft and flex too much. Also, he says that frame locks are archaic. Does he realize that the knife he loves so much(Sage2) is both titanium and a frame lock?
I have a Sage2 and it is a great knife. Iv'e used it extensively but NEVER and I will say it again, I would NEVER choose it over a CRK. Too me the Sage 2 will fail looooooong before any CRK with the tolerances it has compared to a CRK. Too much play.
But what do I know? I am a user not a dealer.
 
On top of it all he repeatedly states that the review is for the purpose to test the strengths of a tactile knife and that genre of knife only. Then goes on to say that Mr. Reeve has never said his knife should be used as a tactical knife. Then why in the hell would he test a non tactical CRK against tactical knives?
 
You can never be too sure what a reviewers motives are especially being that this guy is in the business of selling knives.
I might take a guess and say hes not a CRK distributor. Some points he makes are logical and others seem hes trying to prove
a point whether its fact or just his opinion. But statements like ' The sebenza and umnumzaan are not safe folders' I think
is crap. There is no real world applicaton for spine wack testing other than batoning. And if your batoning with a folder than
you lose crediblity with me.
 
And why is the industry standard for hard use folders frame locks?
I would like to think the knifemakers know what their doing being production
or custom.
 
The test may or may not have any validity. I have no idea what was done to the knives before he turned the camera on. Was the Para2 brand new and unused? Did the CRK knives go through previous torture tests prior to the video? Who knows? How many times did he spine whack the Sebenza prior to this video? 1 time? 1,000 times? Even if one believes the tests are legitimate, there is no consistency in the testing procedures.

Ultimately, who am I to believe. An unknown YouTuber or Chris Reeve, Sal Glesser, Rick Hinderer, Mick Strider, Ernest Emerson and many other high quality liner and frame lock knife makers.

What's most important is the knife is a tool. Like any tool, you need to understand the strength or weaknesses of that tool or there is a good chance you will get injured.
 
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What's most important is the knife is a tool. Like any tool, you need to understand the strength or weaknesses of that tool or there is a good chance you will get injured.
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Exactly. And you need to use the right tool for the right job. You see him review all these folders but theres not a fixed blade in sight :p
 
I skipped through the video Moonberrys posted - could not bring myself to watch it all.

My opinion - these "failures" are a bunch of nonsense. Anything can be made to fail if used in a manner
for which it was not designed. Next
 
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