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Sebenza lock failure?

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STR said:
If one doesn't know how to make a folder how can one know the correct or incorrect way to do it? Answer? One can't! Putting an angle on a lock contact as well as the blade is a sure fire way to cause easy spine pressure defeats. It is incorrectly done to have an angle cut into the lock. By the way where that guy says at about 4:45 into it that this here at the 'top of the lock' is actually the bottom of the lock not the top. He doesn't even have his orientation correct!?
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STR:

Congratulations! You made it into one of his videos. He used your blog to help support his conclusions. See 1:21 on the link below.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KOWgmeLjN8
 
i couldnt get through that entire first video. i think he has abused the knives and that is why they failed.
 
The guy has some points. Too bad they are all wrong :(

He's inconsistent as all get out. What he doesn't like on one knife he loves on another.

While there are dozens of points that can be made to destroy his "theory" there are really two big ones that should be mentioned.

1.) When he points out the angle of the gap on the blade of the strider and whatever other knife he likes and the lockbar he says it's a good thing. It's not. It focuses the pressure between the blade and the lockbar to a much smaller place and is more likely to cause damage to the knife. Also as the knife wears the blade will develop lots of vertical play and it will happen pretty soon. Which is why you hear about play on certain knives. The Sebenza has some angle on the opposite plane present on both the lockbar and the blade. Which allows the load to be spread out effectively lessening the load the knife carries at a given point. It also allows the knife to lock up tight even as wears. Which is why you never see a Sebenza that doesn't lock up tight unless someone has sanded or ground on the lock bar or blade.

cktenders has a thread here the last few days where he took a modified Sebenza to CRK that had vertical blade play and CR hurt his feelings about modifying the knife.

So don't do that. If you do don't show it to Chris Reeve. If you do it and you do show it to Chris Reeve don't come running and post it here, trust me on this.


2.) I am completely missing the point of what the guy in the video is testing or showing. Almost every use for a knife forces the blade open, not shut. The lock is more to keep the blade open until you put the edge up against what you are going to cut. There is the argument that can be made about batoning. Which really confuses me. First batoning with any folder is not very bright, but even if you decide to do it wouldn't you be forcing the edge through whatever you are batoning? Why would you ever want to baton with the back of your blade?
 
I just wanted to say that this guy knows nothing about knives. The lock is only meant to lock the blade in place, but the thing on a knife that truly takes any kind of impact is is the stop bar. I trust the frame lock because the harder you hold the knife the more grip the lock bar has to do its job. besides the point how many people try to cut with the spine of the knife anyways?????
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The guy sells Spyderco, Strider, Hinderer, Coldsteel, and a few other brands.....but not CRK.
You would think he just might have some alterior motives...
 
I'm not ever going to use even a Hinderer or ZT that hard.

On one of his videos, he sawed thru handcuff chains with a Strider....the whole time, i'm like, why?
 
lemmuhj said:
I'm not ever going to use even a Hinderer or ZT that hard.

On one of his videos, he sawed thru handcuff chains with a Strider....the whole time, i'm like, why?
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I didn't see the video but I would pay good money to see someone do that while wearing those cuffs behind their back. I think you would bleed to death before you cut through them.
 
blade2klean said:
Thanks for the information and support -- he knows.
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LOL..That was FAST!! Page is gone :)

Glad I can point some of these out...and I will continue to do so...

BTW- Can't wait for the Large Micarta Insingo!

Bill
 
At this time I don't own any CR knives (my son does) so I don't have a dog in this fight but I did try my best to watch his video but the shaky camera reminded me of the Blair Witch Project. I think that its safe to say that if your/my folder has a lock that we all want that lock to be as well designed as possible but frankly I use the sharp edge of the blade so when I use my knife the force is against the stop pin and or thumb studs (used like a stop pin) and I've never had a lock fail on me. I have no doubt that I could go grab the best folders I have and I love titanium frame locks and make them fail IF I tired hard enough BUT that isn't how I'm going to be using my knives.

Maybe the fact that you can MAKE a lock fail IF you try hard enough matters to some (and that's your right so more power to you) but as one that uses my knives A LOT this is a non issue to me.
 
Wow... i dont know what to say... I couldnt watch the whole vid, the guy was a little too spastic...

All that matters is I trust my Umnumzaan. I love it... more than a man should love a knife I suppose, but nevertheless ;)

This guy is a douchebag... I can smell the vinegar from here.
 
It seems to me, the person that made the video also sells similar production folders as the CRK line. ( I call them production, but others do not see it this way..semantics). If there is going to be money spent, his interest is you spending your monies on the folders that he sells in a similar price range. He obviously is not a CRK distributor, so it seems that he needs an angle to push you to his line. Of course, this is my opinion :)
 
bhyde said:
It seems to me, the person that made the video also sells similar production folders as the CRK line. ( I call them production, but others do not see it this way..semantics). If there is going to be money spent, his interest is you spending your monies on the folders that he sells in a similar price range. He obviously is not a CRK distributor, so it seems that he needs an angle to push you to his line. Of course, this is my opinion :)
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Agreed, his pitch wasn't even well thought out. With logic like the reason I don't like this knife is because it is black but over here I have a knife that I love because it is black. Dude's a moron.
 
I can't imagine why if he is a knife dealer and has an online store he would decided to make bold statements about products that have a huge following and may then turn away a new customer. I could be wrong but he didn't sound like an expert in the field of knife design and production so he'd probably be better served to just focus on selling knives and maybe pointing out his favorites rather than proclaiming certain models as being unsafe. In my opinion saying "the knives in this row are unsafe" (or something close to that) is going way too far if you don't want to alienate some of your potential customers.
 
So, ok, like, ok, my point is this...ok..well, let me...ok...see, ok.
I was pulling my hair out just trying to tolerate this guy's ATTEMPT at explaning...whatever that was!
Someone please revoke his knife reviewing privileges ASAP.
 
Okay, having watched this gentleman's video entitled "Should I buy a Strider" I think that I have a better understanding of where he is coming from, he's a Strider fan (nothing wrong with that at all) and thinks less of CR knives. He says that the Sebenza hasn't changed that much over the years in regards to blade steels used and I'm assuming in the design as a whole. At least that is how I interrupted his statements regarding CR Knives.

Unfortunately even while explaining the benefits of the Strider's design concepts and why its fine/okay if your Strider develops blade play (they know what they're doing because they build knives for the military) he feels the need to say something negative about the Sebenza (@14:20 into the review) and how one wouldn't lock up because there was a little "pocket lint" and some "Fluorinated grease" on the lockbar and the Sebenza doesn't have a poop vent. I happen to be a fan of the Strider SMF so I can certainly understand his praise of the it but in my opinion he should have left the negativity regarding the Sebenza out of his Strider review. Of course that's just my opinion and he's certainly entitled to his own.

http://www.youtube.com/user/NeptuneKnives Should I buy a Strider? (video)
 
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I could care less if this clown shoe was telling next weeks winning lottery numbers........I CAN NOT stand his mannerisms, camera stability, erratic thought process, voice, the way smacks his lips, breathes in, knowledge...or lack of, pretty much EVERYTHING presented in these videos.

Why would you lubricate your frame screws?

Wow.......
 
Until the edge and spine of folders switch spots I don't plan on putting excessive pressure on the spine of any blade...CRK or otherwise. CRK Knives can definitely withstand EDC use for most people. If you need a knife that you don't have to worry about the lock failing get a fixed blade. Even then if you misuse any piece of equipment it CAN fail. I'm going to go and make cuts against an oak tree or my brick house with the spine of my katana (one of the most high efficient slicing weapons the world has ever known) now and let you know the result.........OR MAYBE NOT.
 
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