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Sebenza now in S35VN?

Chris Reeve said:
All knives will change to s35vn. It takes time to change over because we produce blades in runs of several hundred at a time & with several models that spreads it over mths it takes well over a year to change a steel type closer to two.I was the one who pushed Crucible to develop this steel and bring it to market.It is my choice to harden to 58-59 RC .With 35 yrs knifemaking and 10 yrs tool and die I learned that at that hardness you get the best compromise between edge retention & toughness.A general purpose folding knife does a multitude of tasks & above all needs to be tough & corrosion resistent.
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What you are doing works well for me. While I have a lot of knives the Sebenza I carry everyday does pretty much everything I ask of it. I bought a Nyala because I wanted to not because I needed a new hunting knife.

Sometimes I think I would like a Sebenza blade in M2 but honestly I don't have a complaint with S30V. It doesn't keep it's initial sharpness as long as I would like but it is easy to touch up.

I honestly can't tell any difference between the S30V and the S35VN but my experience with the latter is with just one knife. Either one work well for me.
 
Thanks for your input in this thread Chris. Like I have said before, I look forward to trying out this new steel in my next sebenza purchase.
 
Has anyone spotted a Mnandi in S35VN yet?
I am in the market for one but would prefer the newer steel.
 
My local 'enabler' got a new 'zaan this week - build date 1/19 - S30V.

Oh, and Thumper... I believe the large Acme Anvil Mr. Wile E. Coyote would unpack on his episodes to crown The Roadrunner with had a low HT. It seemed to bend around his head when he would manage to crown himself!

Now, if S35V really is '15-20% more abrasion resistant', how will we ever tell the difference between it and S30V? Seriously. I'll wager that, in use, the average hard user will not notice much difference - maybe in ultimate sharpening efforts.

Of course, for 'bragging rights', S35V is much better. Why, half of my vast CRK collection is S35V already! That's right, I followed the Wilson 'zaan with a Nyala - ha!

We all fall for the 'new steel paradox' - I find myself thinking about a ZT 551... just because it has an 'ElMax' blade.... I remember when S30V was my favorite steel... it actually still is.

Stainz
 
Stainz said:
My local 'enabler' got a new 'zaan this week - build date 1/19 - S30V.

Oh, and Thumper... I believe the large Acme Anvil Mr. Wile E. Coyote would unpack on his episodes to crown The Roadrunner with had a low HT. It seemed to bend around his head when he would manage to crown himself!

Stainz
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Enabler...I like that term. :D

It's not so much that Mr. Coyote's anvil was soft but that his head was real hard, about 62RC or so... ;):D:p
 
din said:
I'm curious if anyone has noticed the S35VN on a recent umnumzaan? when that happens I'll have to send mine to the spa for a blade swap.
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Just got my Umnumzaan in the mail yesterday with a birthdate of 2/23/11 and it's S35VN 58-59 Rc. Got it from Knifeart.com btw. Hope that helps...
 
I can't explain why (google would tell you) but it is because of the addition of Niobium to the alloy.
 
Sorry I haven't followed this thread.
CR is right he is HTing for a multi-use knife , therefore compromises !
Lowering the V will make it easier to get a shine , for those who want that.
Vanadium tends to accumulate in the grain boundaries which can make it less tough. Columbium [niobium] is evenly distributed therefore making it tougher.
A fine edge requires small evenly distributed carbides which is exactly what powder metal like the CPM process offers. It also makes for higher transverse toughness.

My favorite steel , for maker and user , is CPM154 .For rougher use [harder to cut materials ] S30V is favored. I suppose S35VN is somewhere in between.
 
mete said:
Sorry I haven't followed this thread.
CR is right he is HTing for a multi-use knife , therefore compromises !
Lowering the V will make it easier to get a shine , for those who want that.
Vanadium tends to accumulate in the grain boundaries which can make it less tough. Columbium [niobium] is evenly distributed therefore making it tougher.
A fine edge requires small evenly distributed carbides which is exactly what powder metal like the CPM process offers. It also makes for higher transverse toughness.

My favorite steel , for maker and user , is CPM154 .For rougher use [harder to cut materials ] S30V is favored. I suppose S35VN is somewhere in between.
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A lot can also depend on what the PM Generation of the steel is.

Crucible is using 1st Generation PM technology.

Carpenter is using 2nd Generation.

Bohler is using 3rd Generation.

But that's for another thread. ;)
 
Ankerson said:
A lot can also depend on what the PM Generation of the steel is.

Crucible is using 1st Generation PM technology.

Carpenter is using 2nd Generation.

Bohler is using 3rd Generation.

But that's for another thread. ;)
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That is really interesting Ankerson. Nozh doesn't hang out here maybe we could discuss it here? :D
 
cziv said:
That is really interesting Ankerson. Nozh doesn't hang out here maybe we could discuss it here? :D
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It has to do with how refined the grain structure is and how clean the steel is.

There is more to it than that, but that is the short vers.
 
It seems strange that a company that has been making something for 40 years ,Crucible, would still be making 1st generation stuff .
I did see , on one of the Buhler pages photos of the particle size difference between 1st and 3rd generation ,very impresive. And cleaner too.

Now that I just found out that Uncle Sam wants to return some of MY money where's a good place to get a small Sebenza with S35VN so I can test it ???
 
mete said:
It seems strange that a company that has been making something for 40 years ,Crucible, would still be making 1st generation stuff .
I did see , on one of the Buhler pages photos of the particle size difference between 1st and 3rd generation ,very impresive. And cleaner too.

Now that I just found out that Uncle Sam wants to return some of MY money where's a good place to get a small Sebenza with S35VN so I can test it ???
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I think Knife Art might be getting some, but not sure. :confused:

It works for them so I guess they are sticking with it. :thumbup:

I heard rumors of a 4th Generation PM coming in the future.... :eek:
 
Just ordered small Sebenza 21 in S35VN from KnifeArt , they just got them !
 
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