Sebenza - What am I missing?

jujawa said:
They seem to expect it to do amazing things that other quality production folders dont.

It is promoted based on its performance as a working tool, hence the relevant questions.

SpyderJon said:
I'd also have to disagree with Cliff that the Sebenza is easier to open and close compared to most spydercos.

I was comparing the Meadowlark to the small Sebenza, it was a liner vs lock back issue, most people find it easier to one handed close a liner vs a lock back. Any Spyderco with a liner like the Military of course opens and closes just as easily as the Sebenza.

-Cliff
 
Any Spyderco with a liner like the Military of course opens and closes just as easily as the Sebenza.

Actually I would go further and say the Military is MUCH easier and faster to open, especially with gloves.

The Military is the fastest manual opening knife (i.e. non SA or wave) that I have used, a combination of the heavy blade, light handle, big hole, liner lock, etc.
 
Don't worry, it's OK to not believe the sebenza is the ultimate knife, and despite what Mr. Benjamin says, you are not ignorant. You are like the child who says the "emperor has no clothes." You see truth, not hype.

Many people don't think the sebenza is the ultimate blade, that's why there are so many available in the after market. There are a lot of reasons. Some feel it's too expensive. Some people find it ugly and others don't like the handle ergonomics. Many people have knives for 40 to 50 years and never see the need to take them apart.
 
4 Ranges said:
It took me a while to appreciate the sebbie also. a LONG while.

Took me months to realize that, once opened, it's virtually a fixed blade.

If you press on the part of the frame just below the clip it *will* close again. :p :D
 
Jujawa, I think I somewhat agree with you. I'm not sure what I expected, but it wasn't what I got. Still, people don't comment that they could get along with a cheaper product for the same reason people don't comment on the typically diminishing returns on high-end knives. The fact is, that with expensive products (fashion, cars, etc.) at some point you are buying a lifestyle and not a better product. I think the Sebenza is coming close to that. Its a status thing in the knife community, but joe-schmoe wouldn't know anything about it.

Sincerely,
Anthony
 
press on the part of the frame just below the clip it *will* close

SWEET! Here I was trying to delay as long as possible their first use, because after that, you know they just wheren't the same. I sure am obligin' to ya!


I suppose there are some that brag about it.

I think pride of ownership is a better term.
 
Exactly, and that being said, most knife nuts buy a sebenza at some point or another. Some fall in love with it and can have nothing else, others might just play with it for a bit and then trade it off for their next indulgence like i did.

And to clarify that a bit, your income definately plays a part. If i had a considerably higher income there is no way i would have traded the seb. I'd have kept it and bought several more because they are a great knife and i would definately take pride in owning them, as DaveH stated.

But if its pushing your budget to buy one, then there is something inside that always just irks you that you paid 115 for your Manix and 400 for your large seb.
 
anotheruser said:
Several of you have talked about how well it performs in actual use. That's a really good thought.

I've been basing my opinion on visual differences. Maybe the real difference between is in how they perform and hold up in actual use.

You've hit the nail on the head here. How a knife looks certainly has some importance, more so for some than others, but the real test is not only how it performs in every day use and over the longer period but, most importantly, how it performs for what YOU want it to do. The cheaper knives, and here I mean the really cheap POS knives, MAY look OK at first and may even do things like open nicely and have highly polished blades, (if you like that sort of thing), but after a while you will discover they get blunt really quickly, the "good looks" start to disappear, the blades start to wobble and bits may start breaking off and locks fail and so on. It's only after use that you will see this though. A knife like the Sebbie, and other high end knives, will usually not suffer these problems or certainly not to any major extent.

You will also, as your experience grows, discover somewhat more subtle differences between knives when used in YOUR situation. I'll give you an example from my own experience. My $US400 Strider SnG is a great knife IMHO but it's not perfect and does have a couple of minor flaws but I use it regularly. However, my $100, (or thereabouts), BM 806 slices up apples much better.

So, in the end, what knife appeals to you the most can be a rather complex set of factors and you are unlikely to find any simplistic answer that will tell you which is the best knife. My advice would be to use the Sebbie hard and, possibly, you will appreciate not only the quality of construction but also the quality of the materials.

BTW, I also carry a Spyderco Calypso Jnr in my pocket every day and it's an EXCELLENT little knife. Price is not always an indicator of worth.
 
I'm not 100% convinced that this post is sincere. Just seems fishy. Why would you not be explicitly aware of how much you paid for your seb if it was such a huge leap forward ("300 & whatever dollars later")? I can understand not quite remembering how much a particular spydie/BM cost, but not the seb. And comparing it to a $20 knife & not seeing what the price difference is all about? Hmmm... Maybe I'm being a little cynical here, but this sounds like BS. Sorry.
 
I wondered about that too. I was more curious as to why a person would ask after, and not before, they made such a purchase. I guess if money's no consideration. Anyway, if this is for real - use the Sebenza then you'll either come to appreciate it or decide its not for you. And as long as its not been abused you can sell it.
 
anotheruser,
regarding sebenza "The blade is bit rough and not highly polished."
regarding meadowlark "The blade is highly polished"

The finish on the blade of a sebenza is a stonewash finish. This is done on purpose and to those unfamiliar with the finish it may look unfinished, when in fact it is done at the last stage of manufacture. The finish is very good at hiding scratches.
 
The stonewashed blades hide the scratches and I like that feature. I've been EDCing a large regular and it recently took a Gatorade bath (along with my digital camera). The camera didn't survive and the action on the Sebbie was a little sticky. Some clear water freed it up and I used it a couple days and today broke it down and gave it a proper cleaning and relubing and it just opens like glass. I like that also. I may be wrong but I believe that most if not all custom and production knife makers discourage taking their knives apart. Overall I'm very pleased with the performance of my Sebbies. I think it has to do with the way the knife works as an overall package. As a southpaw I don't have a lot of choices and that has saved me a lot of money. And that is scary because I've been really getting out of control with my Sebenza buying habits. I have 4 large ones on order in various configurations and a $375 left hand snakewood Mnandi crying out to me every night 6 miles away from me at Plaza Cutlery in Costa Mesa. Life can be really tough. But like Kramer on Seinfeld would say, "I'm out there Jerry and I'm lovin every minute of it!" :D
 
Anotheruser:
Thank you for posting this thread. I have really enjoyed reading all the excuses people have for pampering their vices.
I don't have the benefit of having ever owning a Sebenza, and therefore can not enlighten you with personal experience, but bravo to you for calling it the way you see it. most don't have the balls to tell the world they think they just fell for a sucker punch. The knife may grow on you, and it may not. Personally , I would sell it, and go for what pleases you more.
Most production knives tend to get less expensive over time, so you can pick one up later if you decide that you were wrong in not loving it. One important thing you have done is to spend the extra money on good gear. Maybe the Sebenza isn't worth $300. but some knives most certainly are. Another good point made in this thread is about the company (or person) standing behind the knife. Is $300. worth never haveing to worry about geting it fixed or replaced if it does not function flawlessly?
Keep trying untill you are happy. It's out there.
Adam.
 
knifetester said:
Actually I would go further and say the Military is MUCH easier and faster to open, especially with gloves.

I think it was designed with that in mind, I recall seeing this a few times on the forum. The larger integral slab can be easier to unlock with gloves though, and some people favor studs though I prefer the opening hole.

Brownshoe makes a valid point regarding the taking it apart issue, it isn't like people were popping apart slipjoints on a regular basis. I have several SAK's which I have never taken apart and never felt the need to do so.

You could argue, as he has noted in the past, if the knfie has to be taken apart and cleaned this is a weak point, not a strength.

-Cliff
 
"Brownshoe makes a valid point regarding the taking it apart issue, it isn't like people were popping apart slipjoints on a regular basis. I have several SAK's which I have never taken apart and never felt the need to do so."

brownshoe always has a point. The point goes "Sebenzas aren't worth it." Well, that's his opinion ...

Of course you don't have to take most knives apart, ever. The Sebenza itself is engineered with such close tolerances that gunk won't get into the works as easily as with some cheaper knives. (How DO you get blood out of an axis lock?) But for those who work around serious pollutants, cleaning is simplified if you can get inside.

If you can't ... I have recommended slipjoints or lockbacks, because the blade channel is more open than with linerlocks or axis locks or bolt actions of various types, within which gunk will collect.

"Don't worry, it's OK to not believe the sebenza is the ultimate knife, and despite what Mr. Benjamin says, you are not ignorant. You are like the child who says the "emperor has no clothes." You see truth, not hype."

brownshoe, both Esav and Benyamin are my personal names, jus' like Billy Bob. I only use my family name for business. :)

ig·no·rant: Lacking education or knowledge. Unaware or uninformed.

I was not referring to anotheruser, since asking questions is the most important part of the process of becoming informed. But "The Sebenza Thread" is always blessed with those who opine without information, and find it as much fun to psychoanalyze the Sebenzanistas as to critique our knives.

Have some popcorn.
 
Esav Benyamin said:
How DO you get blood out of an axis lock?

Soak it, rinse it and then blow dry it. I have seen Opinels used as fillet knives for years, no one takes them apart to clean them.

-Cliff
 
4 Ranges said:
You're not supposed to get it. A knife is a knife is a knife.
I disagree with this, because a lot of knives have a WOW! factor. When I first handled a speed safe, there was a pretty big wow factor. When I got my first Carbon fiber handled knife, I had a big wow factor. With all the hype, you expect to be wowed, and when you're not, it's a little disappointing. IMO, the wood handled ones are nice enough to merit a WOW with me, while the regulars can seem rather bland.
 
Hey Anotheruser,

Sounds like its not for you and it also sounds like you're quite a bit more liquid than I am sooooooo, Send the Sebenza to me!!! I'll appreciate the dickens out of it. I'll love it and lube it and hug it and name it George.
:D
Plus,

You'll get a nice warm fuzzy feeling having made someones day AND you'll be able to blasely say "I bought a Sebenza but gave it away, I just don't see what all the hubub's about!"

Plus , you won't have to go through the trouble of selling it. :)

just say the word and I'll get ya my addy :cool:
 
"Soak it, rinse it and then blow dry it. I have seen Opinels used as fillet knives for years, no one takes them apart to clean them."

Go ahead, you're perfectly welcome to miss the point. :p
 
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