Sebenza - What am I missing?

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stjames said:
This is optimal when compared with a knife that does not feature this option.
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You just stated it doesn't need to be taken apart but still want to argue that it is an advantage to be able to do so? It if doesn't need to be done then obviously it is of no benefit to be able to do it outside of a recreation.

In contrast, the thumbstud on the ER folders can be removed which is of direct benefit because it can get ground off when sharpening which will interfer readily with the ability of the knife to open/close smoothly.

-Cliff
 
Cliff Stamp said:
[take it apart to clean it]



You just stated it doesn't need to be taken apart but still want to argue that it is an advantage to be able to do so? It if doesn't need to be done then obviously it is of no benefit to be able to do it outside of a recreation.

-Cliff
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Balderdash, if the need arises for a thorough cleaning because of some unforeseen disaster (dropped in a bucket of paint or glue, accidentally spray painted, fell into an outhouse, swallowed by your dog), you have the ability to dismantle the knife for cleaning. This is an advantage when compared with a knife that does not allow you to do so.
 
[taking it apart to be cleaned]

stjames said:
This is an advantage when compared with a knife that does not allow you to do so.
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In the above you clearly stated it doesn't need to be taken apart to be cleaned :

"I'll again point out that you don't have to take it apart to clean it..."

Thus of what benefit is being able to do it when you state you don't need to?

Do you actually find it easier to take it apart and put it back together than just rinse and dry it?

-Cliff
 
Cliff Stamp said:
[taking it apart to be cleaned]

Thus of what benefit is being able to do it when you state you don't need to?
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Did I not just point out several instances where it would be an advantage for a thorough cleaning?

Do you actually find it easier to take it apart and put it back together than just rinse and dry it?
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No, but I would like to be able to in the afore mentioned circumstances. That would be an advantage over cutting up my sandwich with a knife that was covered in paint/mud/feces and then just "rinsed and dried".
 
Not only that but while doing food prep with my Sebbie I get vegetable material in the pivot area and I like to be able to get all of it out. I would also argue the point that the Sebenza does in fact need to be taken apart and cleaned to function properly. The tolerances are so tight on the Sebbie that I can't imagine soap and water flushing out debris, letting it dry, then applying lube and getting it evenly distibuted on the washers would be possible.

I think they need to be taken apart to clean. Last night it took me 3 minutes to take apart, clean, dry and relube my large sebbie. Now I've taken apart many a Seb so I have a system down pat. Point is that to rinse a knife, let dry and then relube I think would take longer. :eek:
 
man, cliff stamp ruins every thread he posts in.

i dont run into YOU but in every damn thread.


Jesus, stop it already blowhard!
 
Cliff can't have a normal discussion, just put him on ignore like I do. He actually thinks people have the time to read everything he says. This might sound rude to say, but after reading so many of his posts(journals) he rarely contributes anything, just likes to see if he can stir the pot.
 
LaBella said:
man, cliff stamp ruins every thread he posts in.

i dont run into YOU but in every damn thread.


Jesus, stop it already blowhard!
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:eek: :thumbup: :D

Hahaha! Oh lord.. So anyways... What's going on? :cool:
 
I collect mostly customs, they all cost more than a Sebenza, many cost a lot more, so, I can absolutely say that my reasons for owning and liking Sebenzas have nothing to do with status, or proving anything to anybody, it has everything to do with enjoying owning what I feel is a knife of exceptional, and very consistant quality and precision, quality that easily rivals, and in many cases exceeds that of much pricier customs.

Whether one appreciates its virtues and commensurate higher price, depends on the person's personality and sense of values, ie. what they value in a thing. It's very much like the differences between cheap, quartz watches and much pricier, more complex automatic watches. A $50 Casio G-Shock will likely keep better time (perform better) than a $4,000 Rolex, but there are many people, despite what Cliff and BS can't help but spew, who appreciate things that are made to a higher level of quality and precision, that do cost more, even if they are not functionally superior to products that cost less.

For some, pure/sheer function is all that matters, to others, there is still function, yes, but also other less tangible things to appreciate. Which is why I wear a decent automatic watch when a cheap Casio would keep better time, and it's why I own a Sebenza, when there are cheaper, still capable alternatives. I'm glad we all have a choice, aren't you?
 
Cliff Stamp said:
[taking it apart to be cleaned]





Thus of what benefit is being able to do it when you state you don't need to?

Do you actually find it easier to take it apart and put it back together than just rinse and dry it?

-Cliff
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Cliff my boy, let me tell you a story about holes and when it's a bad idea to continue digging .....
 
Scott Dog said:
I would also argue the point that the Sebenza does in fact need to be taken apart and cleaned to function properly.
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This was the origional arguement, and Brownshoes point stands that lots of knives don't need to be, I have many that have been in use for longer than Reeve has been making knives and they still work fine. Thus if you have to take apart the Sebenza to keep it working optimally it is a weakness not a strength.

I'd like to be able to take apart all of my folders just so I could see how the locks work, but as for cleaning I never had the need. I generally don't use them to stir paint though or dig in feces. I have dug holes with them in the mud, you can just rinse them out, same as after salt water work.

I like the fact that Reeve's clip is easily tightened as many makers/manufactures use different size screws for everything which is annoying. I also like that Reeve trusts you enough to let you take it apart without voiding the warrenty, it always seemed odd to me to say that you trust someone enough to give them a razor sharp piece of steel but not a screwdriver.

-Cliff
 
I have not yet taken my Sebenza apart but I'm looking forward to the day I decide to do so. (Maybe I'll wait till I've built my new shed/workshop).

Why do I want to take it apart?

Because I can.
Because it won't void the warranty.
Because I like fiddling with things.
Because I want to try a different lube to see if it makes any difference.
Because .. well, just for the hell of it.

The point being that the ability to take it apart ADDS to the appeal of the knife. This is one of the many features that allowed me to justify to myself spending $300 (over $AUS400 at the time) on a knife.

If anyone else thinks it's a useless feature, good luck to them but it's usefull to ME and that's what's important.
 
stjames said:
Who suggested you might?
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I was simply noting that I don't see it as happening on a regular enough basis to actually consider it when weighing the merits of the knife, unlike you who actually uses it to argue for the design. I would be curious how the maker of this :

http://www.panix.com/~alvinj/ggrampa3.jpg

Would respond to "Yeah, that's a nice knife, but if you dipped it in feces it would be hard to clean, unlike a Sebenza which can handle that easily and is thus a more optimal design - how come you don't correct that short coming?".

As a side note, I actually like the looks of the small Sebenza, the blade has the same lines as a custom I have, however I don't think that is relevant to the judgement of the knife as a working tool which is how it is promoted.

-Cliff
 
Cliff Stamp said:
I was simply noting that I don't see it as happening on a regular enough basis to actually consider it when weighing the merits of the knife, unlike you who actually uses it to argue for the design. I would be curious how the maker of this :

http://www.panix.com/~alvinj/ggrampa3.jpg

Would respond to "Yeah, that's a nice knife, but if you dipped it in feces it would be hard to clean, unlike a Sebenza which can handle that easily and is thus a more optimal design - how come you don't correct that short coming?".

As a side note, I actually like the looks of the small Sebenza, the blade has the same lines as a custom I have, however I don't think that is relevant to the judgement of the knife as a working tool which is how it is promoted.

-Cliff
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As stated, "a working tool". Why do you dismiss one aspect that makes it better in this regard and in the next breath dismiss aspects of the design because they are not "relevant"? Can the knife be both a good working tool and aesthetically pleasing?
 
I was simply noting that I don't see it as happening on a regular enough basis to actually consider it when weighing the merits of the knife
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But needing to cut bone, metal and hard plastics with a ~3" pocket knife is?

Not every knife needs to be able to cut Through bone or split logs to be a good knife.

Could the Sebenza be better balanced in the durablity/perfromance scale for Cliff? Yeah, probably. But it seems to work fine for thousands of other right now. How many unsatisifed customers does CRK have?

I guess everyone has their own uses for a knife. Ask Don Lehue (DonL) how many times he has used his Sebenza in the last half dozen years and for what. Ask him how it performed, I'll bet quite well.

Great looking Stockman by Alvin BTW:
ggrampa3.jpg
 
"My knife dosen't need to be taken apart to work." I also don't need to change the oil in my car to get it to run. But I do because I know it will help the car run optimally. You also don't need to protect your knife from rust. Hey a little rust spot here and there shouldn't hurt cutting performance and I've never had a knife fail of fall apart from rust. Even my nice Sebbies (LE) that I carry and do nothing with but open mail and cut fruit after a couple months I take it apart and I am always surprised at how much lint and stuff gets to the inter workings of the pivot. And this is with what I think you would all agree is very light use. Now assuming that the Sebenza is no lint magnet as compared to other folders and that other folks using other knives in similar circumstances accumulate lint at the same or similar rate as I do. I think I forgot the point that I was trying make. Except maybe that lint working into the mechanism can't be good for any folder. It seems to me that the debris would foul the pivot mechanism and that junk in the moving part of the knife has to be detrimental and I don't think rinsing and relubing is enough. Yeah the knife might work without taking it apart and my car would probably run for a long time without me changing the oil but I think that the point that I was trying to make is that my granddaughter keeps coming in my office and distracting me. Oh yeah the point is that we take care of the outside of our knives, why not do the same with the inside? Guns get taken apart and cleaned regularly. Try to find a professional (law enforcement or military) that will argue that he/she doesn't need to keep their guns clean. I've rinsed and relubed my Sebbies before I was comfortable taking them apart and they were still dirty on inspection when I did open the knife up. But the real fundalmental issue that I would like to bring up is why don't others use the bushing system like CRK does? Ok I'm losing it so I'll come back and try later! :o
 
I just spent two weeks on vacation using a a texas toothpick (aka tickler) from Queen (4" recurved blade with bone handles, brass liners, nickle silver bolster). I cleaned and skinned fish, prepared food, cut bait, removed splinters, etc. I used it for everything. The thin flat ground blade is a great cutter and its got a sharp point. A real classic design.

I didn't need a locking blade.

I didn't need to take it appart to clean.

I didn't need to sharpen the D2. It got stained, but didn't rust.

Its slim profile disappeared in the pocket.

It wasn't a good whittler, but then neither is a full size sebenza.

The fit and finish is perfect on my toothpick. The bone handles can take all the abuse I've thrown it.

I sure don't need a sebenza since my $40 Queen toothpick is sufficient and pretty.
 
Cliff's anti-sebenza agenda continues.

Sebenzanista has already made his point SO CLEAR, and yet you continue to be facetious.

I'm glad I have a life.
 
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