Self Defense With a knife - for adults only

DannyinJapan said:
get better soon, Yvsa.
Oh yeah, I forgot to specify what skin.
The skin under your triceps is good, as is the skin of your upper thighs and the ears....
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Awww thanks, it'll heal Danny, just like all the other dumb ass self inflicted injuries have.:o ;)

If you got the ears wouldn't it be fairly easy to move the khuk around over the forehead and do a nice long to the skull slice so the person's blood would run into their eyes?
Guess it would depend on how securely they were trapped ainnit?
The helluvit is that in a real fight things happen so quickly that the training had best be there because a person doesn't have time to stop and think that, "Well I've got their ear trapped between my thumb and the cho so it should be easy to just slide the khuk around and slice a long to the skull slice over their eyes effectively blinding them so I can do whatever the hell I want to them."
 
Well, it doesnt have to be iron-locked tight.
Just enough for a little pain, shock and fear to keep him from moving too much.
People will freeze up a little bit when that searing pain goes through them.

Really all you need to do is keep them tied up for a second, then if their buddy runs up behind you, you can move around and let him smack his friend.
You have to stay loose enough that you are capable of changing.
Able to move freely in response.

Yeah, you could give #1 the old lights-out treatment and then just check him lightly, waiting on #2 to show up.

Heck, Yvsa, you could just scalp him! Or start the knife a little bit on his forehad and tell him you're gonna scalp him if he moves. Id believe it if a little blodd was coming down from the eyebrows...
 
first of all happy birthday...enjoy that cigar.....as I had stated , I am not here to tell anyone what they should carry or not or what their belief should be...except that what ever you decide is best for you..commit

There is something that maybe not everyone thinks about in many martial artist is the study of the art does not mean there is an intent for violence. Some just do it because they love it ..You can go fishing because you love it or because you like ripping living things mouths open with sharp hooks

Howard ...yes and a lot more and as well the shape of the blade will show you very effective ways to do the same thing with empty hands.
The shape also shows body dynamics, power and weakness in structures and postures. How to develope and deliver power. The traps and the deflections are a major part of the design and can be translated to the body in a variety of ways from throws to blocks and strikes...from both you and the opponent. It shows offense and defense at the same time from both sides.
 
to use the cho with all that khuk hanging out there might be a little like setting the razor down to shave with tweezers
 
That's right, Azis.
Think about it.
How much do you have left to use?
What if he has a buddy or two...always best to keep as much in reserve as possible...

The same thing could be done with a pistol. If you can keep someone under control (and control/survival is the ultimate goal) with the hammer of your pistol being pressed into their gums just under their nose, then you can still aim and shoot it at someone else if you need to.
 
The desire to "use" the khukuri is to be avoided. We must cultivate the movement of survival.
"all that khuk hanging out there"

Thats right. Just let it hang out there. Who cares if you use all that beautiful curvy blade or not? Just as long as you survive, who cares?
Nobody.

(In sports, they care. In martial arts, nobody cares.)
 
Well, you need to join the Bujinkan!

Let me recommend a book:
"The Unfettered Mind" by Takuan Soho.
(Its about swordfighting, but so much more)
 
Dany you are way indoctrinated predictable way. I wonder if Hatsumi teaches this, but you are wrong both from practical and historical perspective.

Samurai were ruthless killers (lets say they didnt suffered from lack of determination), some of them of high degree of swordsmanship. Interestingly they focused on how their weapons looked like and some most interesting persons focused also on one weapon only and become also well known for fact.

I m the last one to pull out Hagakure out, since its so poorly translated into english and meaning so poorly understood, but the reason most people fail against determined opponent who lacks technique or martial arts training is that they dither in the moment they should maim and kill.

If you consider yourself for martial artist, interestingly, you got to be a good brawler - or you have to be capable of being one. Just get yourself in the suburb bar Saturday night around 3:00 the day of soccer or football match the local club had played and call the quarterback wanker. If you can leave on your own you have proven yourself well enough for just any type of situation.

I m quite short and lightweight and I never slipped in the martial arts dogma that technique is supperior to sheer weight and size. Except that it is never only sheer weight and size and some people have been made for fighting. You can find some interesting agresive types amongst rowdies, brawlers and so on. Youll catch his hand, break his bones in it and he still smilling will crush your skull with his other hand - I m telling you these things from perspective of a man who had seen it on own eyes and who is able to flatdeck 200 pounds rugby player in zero time (did once).

Any martial art or sworsmanship is rendered usseles in the moment you pull out the guns. Remember Yojimbo. :)

Thats why my argument would probably carry .357 name.
 
The Hagakure appears to have been written after the fact.
Any martial art or sworsmanship is rendered usseles in the moment you pull out the guns
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Baloney. By definition, hojutsu (firearms work) is a martial art. Also, I know of situations where firearms have been emptied at barely over arm's reach without hitting. Body movement DOES count.

Respectfully,

John
 
The fact that you can name it jutsu doesnt make it martial art. There is alot of really good pistoleros which I would call "martial artist", but a person with gun is superior to person without gun martial artist or not. Face it, thats history of modern warfare.

Interestingly a person which doesnt have extreemly good experience in shooting will act instinctivelly and make for headshot or a "golden hit" whatever you call it.
 
Im not sure I should waste precious finger energy responding to a guy who uses the word "pistoleros."

here's a word for you: Dunce
 
The thread appears to be getting off track, but who said martial artist don't have guns?

martial arts is a self descriptive statement, I find that in many cases debates often come from a lack of knowledge
 
It sounds like English may not be your first language, so excuse me if I'm being pedantic.

Martial= warlike. True martial arts (as opposed to demonstration arts, like much of wushu has become, and sport arts, like Olympic TKD) involve realistic ways of defense or offense. By definition, the formulized use of any weapon is a martial art.

I would like to see your sources. My information is that there are a high rate of hits to the attacker's hands and surrounding region when inexperienced shooters are shooting back.

John
 
Aw what the hell, I'll bite, even though these threads get way too hot for me most of the time.

Here's random thoughts I have regarding the topic, in no order, and probably making little sense, just a random firing of the synapses....

For one thing I think it's asinine to underestimate anyone with a knife. I've heard "well I'll just shoot some guy if'n they come after me with a knife!" from way too many people with guns safely unloaded in the top of thier closet. lotsa, lotsa knives out there, lotsa people willing to use them for the wrong reason. A gun can only hurt you from only one direction, the muzzle, a knife can hurt you from an unlimited number of angles, and is ten times harder to safely disarm than a gun double edges, points, varieties of grips, retention devices, lotsa different ways to get hurt by a knife. Belly to belly I'd prefer a knife over a gun any day, it's not until range opens up and obstacles are presented the knife starts losing out, but when it does, that happens very fast.

I think distance is GOOD, unless you have a fairly small knife and the other guy has a gun or a large knife, then it's good to be nice and tight.

I'm not sure about the talk with using the Cho of a khuk....I'd feel better utilizing the foot and a half or so of heavy sharp steel in front of a Cho.

I think Pikal grips make a helluva lotta sense for belly to belly fighting. It seems like there aren't many knives that can be well utilized in this fashion though.

Think basic moves that we're familliar with are the best. I think I could execute a snap cut with my Sirupati much more efficiently than anything else. With a small folder or a belt knife, I think it's hard to mess up the basic concept of holding the knife in a reverse grip and woodpeckering the face, neck, abdomen or testicles. It kinda fits in well with my own Freestyle, Collegiate wrestling, and Judo experience. BTW, by the very definition of "Martial" I believe they are very much martial arts, point system or not.

Martial: of, relating to, or suggestive of war. 2 relating to or connected with the armed forces or the profession of arms. 3. characteristic of or befitting a warrior.

Martial Art- Any of several Asian arts of combat or self-defense, such as aikido, karate, judo, or tae kwon do, usually practiced as a sport.

I think if I ever attempted to use the CSSDS tactics with a Gunting I'd wind up with said Gunting shoved into a very uncomfortable place. Good for some, not for me. , me no like big moves hard to 'member- me like short moves, easy on me primitive lil' mind.

I wonder where you can find evidence of modern day knife on knife fighting? it seems less likely than being struck by lightning, since knives are rarely a first choice of any body, and if they are chosen they seem to be frequently used from an ambush position, and if said ambush fails it seems there's a long line of potential responses that don't involve pulling out another knife- running, pulling a gun, putting something between them, grabbing impromptu weapons, etc. it seems to me most modern knife fights are more like poorly planned attacks with a blade. Hence the fact that I consider alot of knife fighting from a more historical perpective than a modern tactical one.

It seems odd how we get stuck on words and nuances in these discussions. "it's not self defense! if you're "defending yourself, you're already fixing to lose!" "It's not a knife fight, only thugs and crooks "fight" with knives, and I'm neither!" etc, etc. I guess once it's again natural, and perhaps necessary, considering how adding, removing, or changing one word of text can entirely reverse a phrase. (ie: the famous Bible quotes Original King James bible, says "thou shalt not commit murder" being translated into "thou shalt not kill" talk about blind men describing an elephant.....

My wifes Kung Fu instructor once set up a demonstration with a bunch of cops that KNEW there was a man in a room who would attack them with a knife. out of 25 officers carrying openly none could draw fast enough to shoot the knife guy and "save" themselves.

my father was "Shot" when he was training with the phoenix PD by a guy who duct taped a small .22 revolver to his inner thigh before being loaded into the wagon. Left an impression, he still cringes every time he sees a NAA mini- revolver.

I once had a guy grab me through my car window when I had a Spyderco Perrin six inches from my hand. Freaked me out so bad I never thought to use the knife, grabbed the dudes arm, punched the gas and dragged him through a very wide intersection before I lost my grip. (had his elbow jammed on the window frame) All that "just in case" planning, and I never touched the knife. was in total shock for the rest of the night. Makes me doubt any kinda armed conflict stories that involve any witty remarks, smiles, casualness, or well thought out moves. sh!t happens too fast, freaks us all out.

Had six guys once corner me behind a building and ask to "borrow" some money. Changed thier minds when I pulled my Cuda Maxx out of my pocket to more easily access the .35 cents I offered. they changed thier minds.


I frequently consider a knifes use as a weapon. I also consider the used of my truck, my wrist watch, my belt, items in a grocery store, etc. Not focused on knives, as much as what is most commonly available.

My synapses have misfired enough.

interesting thread, and thanks for the read!
 
RWS....nice post


so any chance of talking about the use of khuks? (it is the khuk forum) or do we need to do some more posturing first?
 
Heh.

I believe knives-if used as weapons- should primarily be offensive tools. Quiet, quick kills.

I mostly practice diagonal cuts with the kukuri. Powerful, but not overly long, for quick recovery. I may try more stabs (tsukis) when I take Dan's guarded kuk out.
 
Well, I think Bill said that the favorite "defense" khukuri was a 12" sirupati under the jacket in Nepal.
Is that correct?
(My memory is fuzzy)


Scissors, you are right about a lot of things. Good training over a long period of time will help you when you would normally freak out. You may still drag the guy with your car, but as long as you survive, then you did the right thing.

I was thinking about the fullers. I suspect that they might facilitate a pinch grip by giving your fingers some extra real estate to hold on to....
 
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