Seller changing price

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So here's how the law of sales of goods goes.

> When a seller says "for sale $X," he is soliciting an offer to buy. He is not offering to sell.

> When a prospective buyer says "I'll take it at $x" he is offering to buy. He is not accepting an offer; he is making the offer.

> When the seller says anything except, in effect, "I agree," he is refusing the offer, which is his right legally, ethically, and morally. The seller controls whether there is a deal or not.

> When the prospective buyer says, in effect, "I'll take it at $X-$Y," he is making an offer to buy at the lower price, which, again, the seller can accept or reject. The seller controls whether there is a deal or not.

> If the seller says. I'll sell at $X + $Y, he is soliciting a new offer to buy at the new, higher price. There is no deal unless the buyer offers to buy at the new, higher price. Even then the seller has the final say on whether to accept the offer, or not. The seller controls whether there is a deal or not.

Some states have passed statutes changing this model, but they are the exceptions that test the rule and primarily apply to prices advertised by merchants for some goods under some circumstances.

The rules have been this way for at over a century eighty years in the U.S. and U.K..

"The general principle is that adverts or displays of products do not constitute an offer. Instead, they are said to be "invitations to treat". An invitation to treat precedes an offer in the contract formation process; it is an invitation to make an offer. By contrast, an offer is capable of binding the offeree if it is accepted. Websites used to market products and services may be considered as analogous to offline advertisements. Generally speaking, such websites will communicate an invitation to treat, not an offer."
 
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All this may be accurate, I have no way of knowing.

Successfully selling something requires that both parties to agree to terms. It also requires trust in the seller. I have to be reasonably certain that the seller will hold up his end of the bargain before I send money his way. A seller who weasels around the fringes of a deal will soon earn a reputation that will eventually mean nobody will buy from him.
 
All this may be accurate, I have no way of knowing.

Successfully selling something requires that both parties to agree to terms. It also requires trust in the seller. I have to be reasonably certain that the seller will hold up his end of the bargain before I send money his way. A seller who weasels around the fringes of a deal will soon earn a reputation that will eventually mean nobody will buy from him.
If this thread is spawned from the recent one that is locked, the seller appeared to have clear terms of sale in his post, lowered his price but maintained the same terms and the buyer wanted the knife. As the buyer could not meet the seller’s terms, the seller, for personal reasons, asked the original price. The buyer could have easily moved on and the seller would have eventually gotten a buyer that would take the knife. Instead the buyer came here, the seller’s response was less than mature, and both of them took a hit to their reputations here. Aside from the seller’s abrasive attitude in the thread he did nothing wrong IMO.

The buyer also seemed to have unlocked the thread after KenC locked it to get the last word in. That kind of behavior and lack of respect for the rules of Bfc has that buyer on my do not deal with list.
 
There was no mention of any kind of context in your original post, not that it changes my point. In a casual buying and selling environment, like the Exchange, trust and manners count for more than an abstract Law of X and Y. Reasonability is the Gold Standard. A lot more participants here get smacked down over spooky behavior than illegality.
 
The custom here, it has been repeatedly said, is that the seller decides if he wants to sell to a given buyer, tracking over a century of law.

Once an agreement is made between buyer and seller, there is a deal - a contract.

If the seller rejects a buyer's offer at the originally solicited price, and either solicits another offer or simply "walks away," there is no agreement and no deal.
 
Does the seller have the right to change his mind after agreeing to sell?

If payment has been made?
 
BF rules and buyer and seller policies do not have to enforce every law in the country. They are outlines to what BF will take action on. If you want to pursue it in the courts you may very well win, but what do you win on a $100 knife? These are simple transactions and I believe the policies goal is to keep them simple and as safe as possible.
IMO
I don't want a page of legal to go along with every transaction. I try to keep my transactions friendly and will do my best to assure the other party feels the same, but I will not ignore warning signs that the whole thing is likely to blow up and leave me with financial loss.
 
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The buyer also seemed to have unlocked the thread after KenC locked it to get the last word in. That kind of behavior and lack of respect for the rules of Bfc has that buyer on my do not deal with list.
He didn't really need to unlock the thread; being that it was his thread (he opened it), he just added his comment. And yes, wrong move in doing that... ;)
 
Secondary market is a sellers market. If I have a knife for sale that I own. Guess what? My rules.

There have been plenty of sales I've passed on due to the rules set by the seller.

"Net to me..."
"Lower 48..."
"PP F&F..."
"Sharpened, never used, but it's still LNIB..."
"Not responsible if lost or stolen..."

You as a buyer either accept the terms of sale or you move on.
 
If this thread is spawned from the recent one that is locked, the seller appeared to have clear terms of sale in his post, lowered his price but maintained the same terms and the buyer wanted the knife. As the buyer could not meet the seller’s terms, the seller, for personal reasons, asked the original price. The buyer could have easily moved on and the seller would have eventually gotten a buyer that would take the knife. Instead the buyer came here, the seller’s response was less than mature, and both of them took a hit to their reputations here. Aside from the seller’s abrasive attitude in the thread he did nothing wrong IMO.

The buyer also seemed to have unlocked the thread after KenC locked it to get the last word in. That kind of behavior and lack of respect for the rules of Bfc has that buyer on my do not deal with list.
I replied before the post was locked. I did not unlock it to reply.

I had no issue with increased shipping, it’s more expensive internationally, of course there will be increased shipping costs which I need to pay.

So your saying I can list an item for $500 all in

Someone wants it but shipping is more expensive as it’s International, so the shipping costs will have to increase.

I then say sure but the price is $550 plus shipping. How is that right ? Why the increase in price of the item. That was the point of contention for me. I find that lacks integrity and general decency. Just my 2 cents and how I felt about the situation.
I made some poor decisions in the heat of the exchanges and that’s on me, no one else.
 
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I replied before the post was locked. I did not unlock it to reply. As for your”list” I could honestly care less as I have never dealt with you before and would not in the future....so a moot point.

3 hours after KenC posted that he was locking the thread that you started you replied? You mean to tell me that an experienced moderator with an impeccable reputation forgot to lock a thread after posting “If either one of you starts another thread about this after it's locked”

giving you the opportunity to post your last word? I don’t buy it. You obviously do not care about the rules of bladeforums evidenced by your actions.

You were 100% in the wrong when the actual details of that transaction came to light. No deal took place. The seller was within his rights to do what he wanted with HIS knife until money changed hands.
 
I replied before the post was locked. I did not unlock it to reply.

3 hours after KenC posted that he was locking the thread that you started you replied? You mean to tell me that an experienced moderator with an impeccable reputation forgot to lock a thread after posting

The thread was locked.

As the OP of the thread, you still have the ability to post in the thread without unlocking it.
 
Ok that makes more sense. I just wanted to thank the Mods for looking into it. Thanks for the info benchwarmer380.
 
The thread was locked.

As the OP of the thread, you still have the ability to post in the thread without unlocking it.

To clarify:
They have the ability do to a flaw in the system, but not the right to post after a thread is closed. Moderators do not take kindly to this. Once a thread is closed the Op should stop posting.
 
I can't even find that original thread anymore, looks like it vanished?
Anyway, the OP acted in a very immature way and I really did not see that the seller did anything wrong initially to cause all that nonsense/a thread. Glad I put the OP on ignore - no need to deal with someone so immature and difficult.
 
I can't even find that original thread anymore, looks like it vanished?
Anyway, the OP acted in a very immature way and I really did not see that the seller did anything wrong initially to cause all that nonsense/a thread. Glad I put the OP on ignore - no need to deal with someone so immature and difficult.

That's why you don't see the thread anymore - because you have the OP on ignore. You have to scroll to the bottom of the page and click on the -->

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Tazz-ab Tazz-ab frankly, I don't think it's unethical to change the price. The seller didn't handle it perfectly, but you were asking to buy something (his knife + international shipping) that wasn't included in the price he originally quoted, which was for his knife + CONUS shipping. So you got a new quote for what you wanted. The fact that he changed the price seems to be pointless nitpicking.

Say his original price was $500 + shipping. Are you saying you think it's unethical for him to now say his OCONUS shipping price is $550 + shipping but would not have been unethical for him to say his OCONUS price is $500 + (shipping +$50)? Since you said you were willing to pay extra for international shipping? That ends up being exactly the same price.

And even if that were not the case, it would still not be unethical, because buyers and sellers change the price all the time. Most of the time it's the prospective buyer trying to change the price. There's no reason the seller can't do the same, especially when the buyer is proposing something different from what was originally offered.

I can't even find that original thread anymore, looks like it vanished?
Anyway, the OP acted in a very immature way and I really did not see that the seller did anything wrong initially to cause all that nonsense/a thread. Glad I put the OP on ignore - no need to deal with someone so immature and difficult.

:D
Gastonknife: "I put the OP on ignore."
Also Gastonknife: "Why don't the OP's posts show up for me anymore?"
:D
 
Some clarification on the locked thread issue. Since the software change it’s possible for the thread starter to post in the thread after it’s been locked. I'd guess most don’t even know it because the reply box is still there like normal.
 
Some clarification on the locked thread issue. Since the software change it’s possible for the thread starter to post in the thread after it’s been locked. I'd guess most don’t even know it because the reply box is still there like normal.
Thanks rycen,
It was not my intent to disrespect you or any other Mods. I just wanted to thank you folks for looking into it. If I did so please accept my apologies.
 
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