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Discussion in 'FEEDBACK: The Good, The Bad, The Ugly!' started by MtnBlade, Jan 14, 2020.

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  1. MtnBlade

    MtnBlade Gold Member Gold Member

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    Dec 24, 2019
    Im rather new to the forum but had a bad experience lately. I have posted a modified Cruwear micarta shaman for sale and for trade. The tags have been switched on two occasions to add tags that seem aimed at diminishing the value of the item. My question for the community is “what are people’s thoughts on modified knives?”

    I see knives as tools that can be changed to be better for some people. That won’t always be seen as an improvement and certainly diminished the resale value as a collectors item.

    Here is my post from the original posting:

    “Modified crucarta shaman”
    I've been very clear that this knife has been modified. It is the first word in the title. I am a fixed blade designer and maker and I spend a lot of time thinking about how to make good/great tool even better. I don’t make folders and I leave that to others with more expensive equipment, however I do think that tools can be improved. These improvements will not be an improvement for everyone and that is okay. The work I do certainly diminishes the value as a collector item, but I don’t make or alter safe/drawer queens.

    I’m posting this for sale for the people out there who want a knife that is modified in ways they might find useful. I’ve been clear about how it has been altered and am posting it at a loss from what I paid with my time put into the piece. I don’t think anyone who wants it as a collector item is interested, and they shouldn’t be. If no one else is interested that’s okay too. It certainly is a better tool for me than what came to me. However, I find myself not carrying it outside my shop because of rules in the towns I live and work in (3” laws). So I’m putting it up on a market for others who want a tool.

    If you’re not interested, move along.

    Thoughts from the community?
     
  2. Peter Hartwig

    Peter Hartwig Gold Member Gold Member

    Feb 29, 2008
    In general unless you are a famous knife maker and a desired modification it is s going to diminish the original value of the knife, not add value to it-collector or not. The same will hold true when (or if) they go to sell it. Modified knives can be very hard to sell, unless the modification itself has a following,
    That's my opinion
     
  3. MtnBlade

    MtnBlade Gold Member Gold Member

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    Dec 24, 2019
    That’s good info. Thank you.
     
  4. dsutton24

    dsutton24 Gold Member Gold Member

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    Apr 9, 2018
    In my opinion your listing is a little on the arrogant side. The, "...I spend a lot of time thinking about how to make good/great tool even better" thing alone would be enough for me to hit the back button.

    When I see a 'modded' knife I pass every time. This includes the infamous 'brand new with recontoured edge' and the like. I've done plenty of modifications on my own knives. I'd never presume to improve something for someone else's benefit. Telling people to 'move along' if they don't agree with my assessment, that'd never happen either.
     
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  5. MtnBlade

    MtnBlade Gold Member Gold Member

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    Dec 24, 2019
    I get that it could be off putting and I totally get staying away from modded items as a general rule. I usually check them out but rarely would go for a modded item. At the same time, isn’t that how things get better? Planning out and trying new things. How does a mod become desired or get a following without trying it first. I’m not claiming to be the first on this, but I like making something that fits me.

    Plenty of people have commented in forums and YouTube about the nub. For some it is a useful feature, for some a deal breaker, and for most a minor inconvenience that they are willing to deal with.
     
  6. sickpuppy1

    sickpuppy1 Basic Member Basic Member

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    Sep 27, 2018
    To me, it would depend on the mod, and how well it was done. You post above doesn't mention what was done. As you said, what seems like an upgrade to you may be,uh, not so much to someone else. The best you can do is be upfront ,explain and show pics.
     
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  7. MtnBlade

    MtnBlade Gold Member Gold Member

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    Dec 24, 2019
    I totally agree. To me it is about transparency for mods and for sales in general. This blade happened to get scratched up and I made sure to use a picture that captured the blemish.
    For reference, this is the OP. https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/modified-crucarta-shaman.1706033/
     
  8. Peter Hartwig

    Peter Hartwig Gold Member Gold Member

    Feb 29, 2008
    Nothing wrong with doing mods to your liking, and certainly post photos in the proper forums of what you do, but don't expect to get paid for them. When people start asking you to mod theirs also, then you have something you can charge for.
     
  9. MtnBlade

    MtnBlade Gold Member Gold Member

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    Dec 24, 2019
    That seems like a reasonable standard for when it is value added.
     
  10. Ajack60

    Ajack60 Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Apr 21, 2013
    Your original asking price was the same as a NIB that have been selling at secondary prices which just leaves me dumbfounded as to why people are willing to pay that much over what they sold for. I looked at it, saw your price and moved on.
    Upon a second look, the scratches on the blade plus the mods didn’t warrant a premium price. IMO, in order to ask premium prices, th knife should be NIB and if it isn’t, the price should reflect it.
     
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  11. tyyreaun

    tyyreaun Gold Member Gold Member

    Feb 26, 2017
    I’m gonna go out on a limb (not really) and say that the vast majority of buyers of the Cruwear Shaman are collectors, not users. They want a Spyderco fresh, NIB model - that’s who’s paying crazy premiums for it.

    Modded knives will hardly ever be worth more than NIB, unless it’s a substantial change, done by a well known and professional modder - like Tom Krein regrinds, for example.

    For relatively simpler changes like nub removal or an added sharpening choil, many users here would be able to do it themselves. For them to buy a knife with it already done, they’d consider it used and want a discount from the retail price. It’s a completely different group of people than the collectors paying premiums.

    What tags were added? The ones on the listing now seem fairly benign. If someone is adding clearly negative tags, let the mods know so they can deal with it.
     
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  12. MtnBlade

    MtnBlade Gold Member Gold Member

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    Dec 24, 2019
    These are great points and I’ve since adjusted the price down. Since I’m taking a loss and I think it is still a great knife I’ll just keep it if it doesn’t sell at this price.

    Some of the tags I recall were kind of funny like #flippedafterallthatdamage and #dremelled. Others along the lines of #damaged #overpriced #ruined. Fine for people to have that opinion and express it but not cool at the same time. Just flippant opinions without asking any questions. That’s why I wanted to open up the discussion and get feedback.
     
  13. Ajack60

    Ajack60 Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Apr 21, 2013
    ‘Where are these tags you speak of.
     
  14. MtnBlade

    MtnBlade Gold Member Gold Member

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    Dec 24, 2019
    I took them down just like the other person took down some of my originals and added their own.

    There is an edit button at the end of the tags and anyone can alter them.
     
  15. Ajack60

    Ajack60 Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Apr 21, 2013
    Gotcha, I didn’t see them nor do I pay any attention to them. I guess I just saw the tags you put.
     
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  16. MtnBlade

    MtnBlade Gold Member Gold Member

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    Dec 24, 2019
    It wasn’t a big deal and started a good conversation. Like I said, some were kind of funny but changing them seemed childish and unhelpful for people using them to find stuff.

    Thanks to all who contributed. This is a helpful community.
     
  17. Danke42

    Danke42

    Feb 10, 2015
    So what you are saying is other users are tagging your sales ad with negative comments.

    If that is accurate you should report the post to an admin and maybe open a new thread in tech support.

    Messing with threads in the exchange is explicitly forbidden. You either buy the item or keep your mouth shut and keep walking.

    And re your question about modding a knife. Yes every single thing you do reduces the value of the blade. Until you're a well know bladesmith leave it alone. Even sharpening a knife is off limits.
     
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  18. Norcaldude

    Norcaldude Gold Member Gold Member

    Dec 19, 2014
    It depends on the knife. The more expensive it is, the more likely it is going to lose value by being modded (at least by somebody that isn't a pro. A known pro even).

    Also, if it's value comes from being a 'collectible', then modding it will probably lower it's value.
     
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  19. MtnBlade

    MtnBlade Gold Member Gold Member

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    Dec 24, 2019
    That is good to know. I don’t think it will be an issue again but if it happens in the future I’ll take a screen shot and send it to a mod. I was surprised that people could change it but it seems open to all. I agree that you should either buy or keep walking with the sales threads.
     
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  20. Danke42

    Danke42

    Feb 10, 2015
    A screenshot is good but some of the admin staff has right to see posts after edits etc. so if someone is playing around there's no safe space.
     
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