Selling modded items

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I guess some missed the point of my other post. The reason why people can’t ask values is because some have used that to skirt the rules for having to pay for a membership to sell things. The same reason would apply to why a non craftsman member selling modified items.

You very well could only be selling modified knives that you did and have no interest in doing work for others. Unfortunately the staff has no way to know that. Those of you that have sold modified things in the past with out a membership consider yourself lucky.
 
It’s also clearly stated in the membership levels

From the rules

KNIFEMAKER / CRAFTSMAN / SERVICE PROVIDER (hearafter referred to as "Knifemaker") - Knifemaker's are allowed to sell items that they have personally created or modified in the KnifeMaker For Sale forums, or their own Hosted KnifeMaker Forum. If you are a knifemaker or craftsman and would like your own Hosted KnifeMaker Forum, please contact us.
Note, if you pay for 3 years at once, you can have your very own subforum and you save a bit of cash rather than buying one year at a time. This might be an option for the seasoned and serious members.
 
This is my interpretation of the rules so take it for what it's worth...

If you mod knives on a daily basis and expect to turn a profit and sell modded knives on a regular basis on the forum you are a craftsman and require a Craftsman membership.

If you make knives and intend to sell for profit on the forum you are a knifemaker and require a Knifemaker membership.

If you decided to mod your single knife just for the hell of it and decide to sell it later on down the road I see no problem as long as you state in great detail what was done and price it accordingly then I see no issue selling with a Gold membership. I say this because I have modded a knife or two and sold said knives when I grew bored of it, needed cash to fund another purchase, or needed to simply thin the herd. If the moderators suspect you are modding and selling on the daily we can easily check that by checking your posts. If we find out then we will handle it accordingly.
 
rycen said:
It’s also clearly stated in the membership levels

From the rules

KNIFEMAKER / CRAFTSMAN / SERVICE PROVIDER (hearafter referred to as "Knifemaker") - Knifemaker's are allowed to sell items that they have personally created or modified in the KnifeMaker For Sale forums, or their own Hosted KnifeMaker Forum. If you are a knifemaker or craftsman and would like your own Hosted KnifeMaker Forum, please contact us.
Note, if you pay for 3 years at once, you can have your very own subforum and you save a bit of cash rather than buying one year at a time. This might be an option for the seasoned and serious members.
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That does seem pretty clear, although I agree with a lot of the not for profit and not frequent argument many are making. If it is to be a rule the Hold/Platinum definition should really be updated. Currently it doesn’t mention mods. “They cannot sell items they have made, for that you will require a Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider membership, no exceptions.” MADE to me is taking raw materials and creating something new. I suppose you could call a knife raw material that is made into a new knife but I would disagree with you unless it is a really major modification to the point that it doesn’t resemble the original.
 
I certainly don’t have the time to create a spreadsheet to find out who sells how many things that they modified so I don’t see the rule changing anytime soon.
 
I think if I were a true craftsman I would want the membership designation to go with it. For $45 more dollars it distinguishes you from a gold member DIYer, and you can advertise as such. If I were to do minor modifications it would be pretty disingenuous to call me a craftsman.
While there are a lot of cheapo knife sellers that would use the backdoor, I am not sure there are many craftsman that would take that approach- but I get rycen's point
 
I think this point has been beaten fairly thoroughly, and since rycen pinged Spark, we'll get the final ruling soon enough.

Just to make clear the current gap in the rules, though: how would you classify knife re-profiling/sharpening? There are a number of members here, with Craftsman memberships, who offer sharpening and re-profiling services. I've certainly used Josh's/REK's service often enough, and it's worth every penny. Josh does other stuff as well, of course, but there are some members who strictly offer Wicked Edge sharpening as a service.

If offering sharpening as a service requires Craftsman membership, then per rycen's interpretation, if I sharpened or re-profiled a knife I own, that knife has had a service/mod performed on it, and I would need a Craftsman membership to sell it.

Of course, I'm not saying anyone is claiming that to be the case - that's clearly not the intended effect of the rules. But, since I do think some interpretations of the rules inevitably lead to that conclusion, I propose that the line between Craftsman vs Gold-level hobbyist/tinkerer needs some official clarification.
 
I would think there’s a difference between personalizing a knife, such as, adding a sharpening choil, rounding a blade/handle area to fit your comfort or changing scales/covers that you like and a mod job such as stone washing/ acid washing the blade/handles, replacing thumb studs, replacing bearings/washers. In any case, the warranty on the knife is probably void and some makers won’t even look at it.
I feel that’s the biggest reason not to personalize a knife and it seems to me there’s a lack of mentioning the warranty in a sales thread.
 
There has to be a gray area here.

By the current membership definition/interpretation, any used non NIB knife is up for debate. Any knife that has been sharpened, added sharpening choil, sharpened out chips/tips, crowned blade spine, changed primary edge bevels, "wicked edge" sharpened, sanded handles, etc. would require a Knifemaker level membership.

It's silly. Common sense goes a long way. Obviously if there's a pattern with a specific member they need to be told to increase their membership level or cease further sales.

I'm in agreement w/ Ken on this one.
 
This is getting ridiculous. Of course selling a sharpened knife would not need a craftsman membership to sell.

I simply meant you should not shine a light on yourself if you don’t have clean hands. I never said that he would be required to get a craftsman membership.
 
FFS people, stop complicating things necessarily.

If your schtick is to buy knives, rehandle them, then sell them, then of course you need a Knifemaker's. If you happen to buy spydercos and grind waves into the hole and then just get tired of carrying it, you don't.

We take a holistic approach to this - we look at the big picture and see what you are doing. If you market yourself as "Fast Jimmy Smoov's Mod Junction, check out my custom dingleberry mods on BladeForums!" then yeah, Knifemaker time. if you are just putting jimping or dimples skateboard tape or whatever on a knife for your own carry purposes....
 
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