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Should I get a 119 or a Nighthawk?

Knifeschmied,
you have another Option: The Buck 619. This knife combines the handle like one of the Nighthawk with the great Blade of the 119.

I know, the 619 is sold out, but you find it in the bay sometimes. May be that this ist the knife you're lookin' for. If you like I'll post a pic.

Best,
Haebbie
 
Thanks everyone for the comments and opinions. I ended up getting the Nighthawk. It's the short, half serrated 655 version. Very heavily built and it looks like it would hold up to any abuse. The 119 was also nice but certainly not as rugged. The 119 I was looking at had the nylon sheath which was not very flattering paired with such a classic as the 119. The Nighthawk sheath is not too inspiring either but it will do until I get a Spec Ops sheath for it.

I hope to get some pics of it in use this weekend.
 
Messersmith said:
The Nighthawk sheath is not too inspiring either but it will do until I get a Spec Ops sheath for it.
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The nice thing about the nighthawk sheath is its very easy to clean!
I may look into the aftermarket sheath also. It appears to carry a little lower.
I think you will like it alot! I just picked up a second nighthawk for use!
 
wh4f said:
The nice thing about the nighthawk sheath is its very easy to clean!
I may look into the aftermarket sheath also. It appears to carry a little lower.
I think you will like it alot! I just picked up a second nighthawk for use!
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Yeah...where is that second NightHawk my brother from another mother Jim?

I have tosssed used nylon sheaths I've gotten from auction or wherever that were questionable in the wash and air dried. Come out squeaky clean.
To me, the major drawback to the nylon sheath is the stitching of the loop.

Having said that, my Rosie Dorado, loop stitch seems better suited for wear w/o needing me to do some back up sewing.

Buck: I think a few more centavos (some of the nylon sheaths seem to be made in Mexico) towards the mfg cost could go a long way to change the perception of the nylon sheath being a piece of sheet.

That's my two centavos. Your mileage may vary.
 
Buckaholic said:
Yeah...where is that second NightHawk my brother from another mother Jim?

I have tosssed used nylon sheaths I've gotten from auction or wherever that were questionable in the wash and air dried. Come out squeaky clean.
To me, the major drawback to the nylon sheath is the stitching of the loop.

Having said that, my Rosie Dorado, loop stitch seems better suited for wear w/o needing me to do some back up sewing.

Buck: I think a few more centavos (some of the nylon sheaths seem to be made in Mexico) towards the mfg cost could go a long way to change the perception of the nylon sheath being a piece of sheet.

That's my two centavos. Your mileage may vary.
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I don't know yet Goose,she's enroute somewhere, between washington and WI! Hows the bead blasted version?
The nylon sheath does clean up well, we shall see how durable it is!!
 
Well I am absolutely heartbroken.... I had my new Nighthawk out in the backyard this afternoon and broke it in under 30 minutes :(

I started off cutting some rope and cardboard then moved to my wood pile. After taking a few pics of the knife, I tried splitting a few small chunks of maple firewood. My "technique" was to lay the cutting edge across the log and hit the back of the blade with another chunk. The first chunk was rendered into kindling with no problem. One wack on the second chunk and the blade breaks cleanly about 1/4 inch in front of the guard. :eek: I'm left holding the handle while the blade is stuck in the wood. :eek: :eek: :(

Is this gross abuse or should the knife have held up? Maybe I used the wrong technique? I'm mostly kind of pissed at myself for breaking it <-- :mad: , but there is a small part of me that thinks the knife should have held up without a problem :confused:

Anyway, I have a note into Joe to see if this is something he would cover under warranty or if I chalk this up to stupidity and go buy another one.





 
I'm thinking this is why they quit using the logo of a hammer banging a Buckto cut a bolt. Liability.
To me, I think hitting it with wood shoud dent the wood before it breaks the blade. But then again, I hear maple is hard and given the pic, yours' may have been frozen.
I've done the same thing with a fixed blade (not a Buck) w/o breaking the blade. Usually oak when camping in the spring/summer.
 
Messersmith said:
My "technique" was to lay the cutting edge across the log and hit the back of the blade with another chunk.
Is this gross abuse or should the knife have held up? cover under warranty or if I chalk this up to stupidity and go buy another one.
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Just me personally, I would not baton with a knife- any knife, thats why I have an axe/hatchet... Cool pics though :D

I dont want to say if it is stupidity or not :D but I think they may warranty it?
It still shouldnt snap like that in my opinion. The nighthawk is one beefy blade! Now my question: do you send just the handle back or does the blade and log go too? :D
 
...Although I'm not a fan of "batoning" a knife when camp axes are available...I'd wager that if that Nighthawk did not have the serrations it would have weathered the "beating" :eek: fine...The serrations themselves introduce areas of weakness along the portion of the blade where it broke. It's like the "etch" you cause with a glass cutter...It will break along the line made by the wheel on the cutter...The serration was the "etch" in this case and I'd bet you'll see that the break occured along a serration line...They just ain't supposed to be beat on...Slice and stroke 'em...Works lots better...LOL...:cool:
 
DarrylS said:
...Although I'm not a fan of "batoning" a knife when camp axes are available...I'd wager that if that Nighthawk did not have the serrations it would have weathered the "beating" :eek: fine...The serrations themselves introduce areas of weakness along the portion of the blade where it broke. It's like the "etch" you cause with a glass cutter...It will break along the line made by the wheel on the cutter...The serration was the "etch" in this case and I'd bet you'll see that the break occured along a serration line...They just ain't supposed to be beat on...Slice and stroke 'em...Works lots better...LOL...:cool:
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Darryl...
You're like a freakin' Yoda. Good point.

I was thinking that if the NightHawk was truly a thought for the Armed Forces, what a bummer if they won the bid. I've seen some really wierd sheet done with a bayonet and pretty much any knife you put in a soldier or sailor's mitt.
 
Buckaholic said:
Darryl...
You're like a freakin' Yoda.
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...Yeah Gooser I know...I gotta take a Lansky or a good benchstone to those darn points:eek: on my ears...:rolleyes: :p...Actually serrations to me are a lot like "etchings" or cutouts on blades...I won't have 'em...JMHO... I'd love to pick up a decent assisted opener but those that I've seen all have serrations and I pass on 'em...Just can't see serrations on a beefy fixed blade knife like a Nighthawk or a 119 as it would compromise that beefiness IMO...
 
Oh Messy,

LMFAO.....that's to funny my friend. Broke your new toy in about 30 minutes....reminds of my boys and the sad looks on there face's when they abused that new toy and rendered into junk in no time. If you want to split wood use an Ax or a splitting mal. I know you were just testing the new blade...but, LOL you froze it in the frigid temperatures and fractured it like a peace of glass. Let us know if Buck covers it under warranty.

I just showed your accident to MRS. jb4570 and she was laughing so hard her sides started to hurt. She sends her condolences on your loss brother.

jb4570
 
I'm so sorry Messy. But that is hilarious.
I keep lookin' at that train wreck. Almost in tears.
Feel worse for you than I do for my plight of today. Your situation is a classic peeps will be telling there friends!
The pics...I bet you were so proud and ready to post and then BAM!!! Had to take another pic.
That is truly messed up what happened.
But it is a great story and we (including you) will still be laughing our asses off about this next year.

That beats my missing the sheath with my 120 in a crowd story by a mile.
TFF!!!!
Sorry.

And Darryl, you are right...I never cared for the partials myself...another reason for me in what you pointed out.

Damn...I would love to see Joe's mug when he gets to that post!

Messy must suffer so that others may learn...
 
Hey Messy...It is as Gooser and John have said...HILARIOUS...:D ...But believe me, we ALL know that pain of "discovery"...LOL...I would never admit to knowing a person who shall remain nameless ( me ) that at some point in his tainted life has actually tried to hammer a beautiful 105 through a hardened steel bolt...LMAO...I was ( oops )...HE was a bit younger though at the time of his "discovery"...:D :cool: :p
 
wh4f said:
I dont want to say if it is stupidity or not :D but I think they may warranty it?
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Now that's odd...you just pointed another member to this page -

http://www.buckknives.com/care.php

Knife Use
Buck knives are designed for cutting. Using them for other purposes, such as throwing, pounding, prying, chopping or other purposes may create an unsafe condition and may void your warranty.

If Joe/CJ/Jeff/Whoever decide to warranty this knife, it's out of the kindness of their heart...but I'm sure you know that, or you wouldn't have provided such a detailed description of the abuse... :D
 
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