Should PayPal Gift Option be permitted for sales?

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Should the PayPal Gift Option be permitted for sales here at Bladeforums?

  1. Yes, continue to allow it.

    0 vote(s)
  2. No, there should be a rule against it.

  1. bld522


    Feb 3, 2004
    You understand correctly, Esav. But I, for one, don't feel right about adding PayPal fees to the selling price of an item if someone doesn't want to use PayPal to pay for that item. That's simply not fair. And that's why I stand by my recommendation that sellers state what they're willing to sell their items for "net to them" and negotiate the terms of their transactions including payment choices, shipping arrangements, insurance, registered mail, and so forth off line. I can't understand why anyone would object to that. If the terms of sale can't be negotiated successfully, the deal falls through. No harm, no foul.
    Last edited: Mar 19, 2014
  2. bld522


    Feb 3, 2004
    I agree. For sellers who indicate PayPal Preferred or PayPal Only, my argument definitely falls flat. Fortunately, I'm not one of those sellers. As I said before, I'm all about leaving my options and my customers' options open.

    Here's the bottom line. I've been here for quite awhile and I've been a party to just about every kind of transaction you can think of as a buyer, a seller and a trader. In all of those transactions, I've never felt like I cheated anyone nor has anyone ever accused me of cheating them. When all is said and done, isn't that the final arbiter in this debate?
    Last edited: Mar 19, 2014
  3. Ken44


    Jun 29, 2005

    Yeah people, listen to Esav :p
    Great advice, as usual :thumbup:
  4. JCP1969


    Jun 3, 2012
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  5. Hard Knocks

    Hard Knocks Gold Member Gold Member

    Oct 1, 2012
    Exactly. Thank you Ed!!
  6. bld522


    Feb 3, 2004
    I can't tell you what to do. All I can tell you is that what I've done has worked for me for a very long time with amicable results all around.
  7. JCP1969


    Jun 3, 2012
    BLD522, wants to be competitive. TYD suggest its only Paypal

    I personal don't object to it. I'm good. the bigger picture.

    maybe TYD BO
  8. JCP1969


    Jun 3, 2012
    You do say you recommend sellers state their NTT and all other discussion occur in private
  9. scotchleaf


    Oct 23, 2006
    Ban it. Why give scammers an avenue to exploit? Have their been many instances of the reverse problem, where people buy a knife, then reverse the charges via paypal?
  10. cEdge


    Apr 14, 2011
    Personally I like TYD, its a one price transaction. Net to me, I usually walk away unless its on my list of must haves. Too much of a PIA. Additionally, I can't stand it when a seller at the last second asks for gift option after everything is said and done. TYD has nothing to do with PayPal. As a seller, most of us don't want to wait for a check or MO. PayPal = necessary evil. TYD generally means we all agree on the price and nothing is left to chance.
  11. bld522


    Feb 3, 2004
    True. But that's as far as it goes. For what it's worth, I negotiate each transaction based on its own merits. As a seller, I may make a particular offer to one person but not to another. Conversely, as a buyer, I may accept a particular offer from one person but not from another. It isn't a one-size-fits-all approach but it is founded on a single guiding principle: no transaction is concluded until both parties are satisfied.
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  12. willrise

    willrise Gold Member Gold Member

    Sep 9, 2003
    This place is starting to have as many rule as shitcago.
  13. hhmoore

    hhmoore Gold Member Gold Member

    Feb 7, 2014
    I don't understand how TYD implies PayPal... it's just another way of saying total price (item, applicable extras, shipping included)
  14. Esav Benyamin

    Esav Benyamin MidniteSuperMod

    Apr 6, 2000
    I kind of resent that. We don't need your opinion on Chicago used to smear BFC. We haven't added any rule on PayPal and as of now, we don't look like we will. What we are trying to do is foster a widely based discussion pro and con, to educate ourselves on each others values and good procedure.
  15. PayneTrain


    Oct 24, 2013
    There is a rule against it. Paypal's rules.
    Every other forum I frequent with a classified section forbids it. The fact that this discussion still goes on here astounds me. If you don't wanna pay the fee, build it into the price or don't use Paypal. Gosh...

    This is not 'Nam. There are rules.
  16. bld522


    Feb 3, 2004
    Right. They're just not BF's rules. And BF has chosen not to enforce anybody's rules but their own. Unless and until they do, this debate will continue unabated.

    PS: Just because a rule exists doesn't make it a good rule.
  17. FLymon

    FLymon Gold Member Gold Member

    Aug 23, 2006
    I hate to say it, but show me.

    Here is all I can find on the subject in the TOS:

    4. Receiving Money.
    4.1 Receiving Personal Payments. If you are selling goods or services, you may not ask the buyer to send you a Personal Payment for the purchase. If you do so, PayPal may remove your ability to accept Personal Payments.
    4.6 No Surcharges. You agree that you will not impose a surcharge or any other fee for accepting PayPal as a payment method. You may charge a handling fee in connection with the sale of goods or services as long as the handling fee does not operate as a surcharge and is not higher than the handling fee you charge for non-PayPal transactions.

    I threw 4.1 in there so people reading this thread for the original question could see just how clearly and unequivocally against PayPal rules it is to ask for a personal, or 'gift' payment.

    I'm not a lawyer, but it seems to me sort of a convenient interpretation of 4.6 to conclude that offering a discount for "cash" (which isn't hinted at in the slightest in 4.6) would violate the letter of the rule.
    There is no surcharge on the PayPal payment, just a discount for cash or equivalent.

    Did I miss something?
  18. RevDevil


    Nov 9, 2009
    You are very much mistaken. There have been no new rules added in quite a long time. If anything the rules have been consolidated to create a better understanding of expectations and requirements.
  19. bld522


    Feb 3, 2004
    You and Esav are being pretty generous under the circumstances, RD. I wouldn't outright accuse willrise of trolling. His comment could simply be the result of a misunderstanding on his part. But as you point out, he is clearly incorrect re: the number of rules that operate around here.
    Last edited: Mar 20, 2014
  20. Rival1314

    Rival1314 KnifeMaker / Craftsman / Service Provider Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Aug 17, 2012
    interesting discussion. I can see that if a seller prefers alternate methods of payment besides paypal then its silly to add fees. That being said I prefer paypal, their services help protect guys like me whether im selling or buying. It doesnt bother me if BF sets Paypal rules because I follow my own.

    1. I always set a TYd price including shipping & fees for my goods and my services. It just seems like the right thing to do
    2. I will never purchase from a seller that requests gift option
    3. I will never purchase from a seller that asks me to pay their fees

    Its odd how many threads for sales start with a firm price +fees, a day later there is a price drop....why not start off by incorporating the fees in your price? I know Im not the only one who wont purchase from sellers that ask for their fees to be paid by others.

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