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Should the Rescued Individual Pay for SARS?

It is possible that anyone of us can get hurt wheather it is a twist of the ankle or a break of the leg. If I were to get injured in the back country and ha all of the necissary gear but could not walk out I would be pretty happy to see search and rescue. If I knew I had to pay for them to rescue me, I would tell them to piss off, I am just camping.
I pay my county taxes.... Plain and simple. Do we want SAR to be opperated with funding from lost people or by tax dollars? Because I'm already paying.
 
If you live in a major city you get a few free visits from emergency services if your alarm system goes off. In Miami, more than three false alarms per year and they start fining you.
This could be the same scenario.
I mean. C'mon. The government is stealing 25 to 40 percent of your earnings.You should get something for that..............

"Yuppy 911" just exposes the abounding ignorance in this day and time.:mad:
 
I like the multiple visits idea. Puts repeat offenders on the radar. That idea is sensible.
 
Oregon Knife Guy said:
It is possible that anyone of us can get hurt wheather it is a twist of the ankle or a break of the leg. If I were to get injured in the back country and ha all of the necissary gear but could not walk out I would be pretty happy to see search and rescue. If I knew I had to pay for them to rescue me, I would tell them to piss off, I am just camping.
I pay my county taxes.... Plain and simple. Do we want SAR to be opperated with funding from lost people or by tax dollars? Because I'm already paying.
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Most SAR, at least down here, are paid for by the members or subsidized by private organizations. With that in mind, if tax dollars were diverted for SAR, it could potentially lower the cost of a rescue.
 
Here it is tax dollars paid to the county that fund SAR. In turn, it is a service I pay for and therefor I want to get it for free when I need it. I dial 911 and a cop shows up because I pay my taxes which pay for them. If your SAR agency is privatly funded it is funded by people who want to help find people. Most of the searches here are for either some elderly person who wandered off and ha no idea what is going on, a child who opened the backdoor and went into the woods or someone who came up missing often by means out of their control. We should never charge a person in need when their life is on the line. In a SAR situation anyway.
 
Ok, from my point of view needing to be rescued is an accidental situation. However, I get tired of reading how some rich lawyer climbing a mountain, or ceo who chose to ride out a hurricane in his yacht have to be rescued by these teams that it cost millions a year to maintain. And it costs them nothing. If you or I get into another kind of accident, like in a car, we don't get a free ride to the hospital....we have to pay for the ambulance. In case it sounds like I don't like the rich in this country, I don't. This country has been better to them than any other part of society and it seems like they are still always looking for a free ride. Lets have a system like denmark has for charging for driving violations......let them pay based on their level of income then maybe they'll feel a little pain in their wallets when some rescue team has to risk their lives to get them out of whatever mess they've gotten themselves into.
Thanks and have a nice day.:mad:
 
No. The average Citizen pays a HUGE chunk of his income to .gov, at all levels. Getting rescued if you are in distress is part of the investment.

Where do you stop with this silly crap? We pay taxes, and maybe another 'fee' for fire response? Police action? Pot hole repair? Dog catchers?

Thats crap.
 
Mannlicher said:
No. The average Citizen pays a HUGE chunk of his income to .gov, at all levels. Getting rescued if you are in distress is part of the investment.

Where do you stop with this silly crap? We pay taxes, and maybe another 'fee' for fire response? Police action? Pot hole repair? Dog catchers?

Thats crap.
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Get an education, maybe watch the news once in awhile. The main crap I'm hearing now is coming from you.:barf:
 
There are good points made here. I think posting the rules is a good idea, if there will be no SAR without cost then it should be known to all. I don't know how you could be sure that everyone know though.

One point to remember is that because so many people are divorced and the kids wind up with Mom, they are often not given the choice of the outdoor life that they might have had with two parents. Moms raising kids alone don't need anything else that might keep them from venturing out camping with the kids.

Charging for the SAR would almost have to be on a case by case basis, some people probably deserve to have to pay, in other cases like quick moving storms and such, people can't always be blamed for what happens. One thing for sure, IMO such a search should not bankrupt the victum or make them pawn there house or something.
 
If the party concerned makes a profit from their rescue then a percentage of the profit is taken and split between the rescue parties, especially the volunteers.

Something to remember ... accidents are avoidable incidents.

mmmmmmm ... fixed blade or folder ;)
 
I dont think that it is very practical to charge for that kind of service if its really needed, now if you do something like what those people did with the balloon kid thing that happened a couple months ago, i think that those people should pay for that service for the simple fact that they really did not need it. i know that all of us on here are very experienced in the outdoors, but whats to say that one of us wont get hurt or lost meerly by accident, and after your fine and ok and i would say a month or so later you get this outragious bill from your county sar for an exorbital amount, i dont think that, that is very practical
 
There are a lot of unanswered questions here. Who would determine if a person needs to be rescued due to an "act of God" or because of avoidable reasons? Would a person have to pay either way? Would a person that has a heart attack or other unexpected illness be fined? Should we fine those that need the help of other emergency services such as help from the police or fire department? If someone dies in the wilderness is that person's family then responsible? Should a person (or that person's relatives) not have to pay if rescuers fail to find them? Should rescuers have to fully open their books and prove their expenses before submitting a bill?
 
Yes if they take stupid chances with no gear and poor clothing, having said that all parks should have some kind of a list of supplies that you need to take with you such as water, food, knife, extra warm clothing, fire starting and signal items.

No if you have some supplies, you are not taking stupid chances and say you have a accident and break your leg, Then Rescue should be free.

BLUF! Stupid people should be charged for well being stupid! Just my thoughts on this!



RickJ
 
not even a day after a ILL PREPARED and poorly equipped rec snowshower fell to his death here in BC, YET ANOTHER 5 idiot ILL PREPARED and poorly equipped rec snowshowers had to be rescued IN THE SAME AREA.

those are the idiots that should be fined, heavily, up to an including vehicle seizure, home seizure.
 
Bushman5 said:
those are the idiots that should be fined, heavily, up to an including vehicle seizure, home seizure.
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Come'on. I mean, you're in Canada, we're in the U.S., we take it in the ass at every turn with taxes and fees. The President flew some pizza chef from St. Louis to Denmark, I think, because he wanted some pizza. Look at all of the crap going on and we're still discussing this?

I mean, there are a lot of Canadians in here, maybe they feel the same as you. I think a lot of people cheering this stuff on would think a lot differently if they took the right fall.

Imagine, YOU, you are prepared...but you take a spill and whatever commo you have is busted in the fall along with a nice, compound fracture. Should you lose your home man? Do you think if your wishes were granted and they actually did this that they would give a shit that you had some waterproof matches and the other stuff on you and that you were "prepared" but just lost commo and suffered a broken leg?

Oftentimes what we get government to do, they use it as a source of revenue and this will be the same, exact thing.
 
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