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Should the Rescued Individual Pay for SARS?
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i agree with bushman its a great topic to be aware of cause really its up to people like us to make others aware of the dangers of not being prepared
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That's a good point. I don't know. Obviously, some sort of investigation is needed.
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I hate to admit it, but that's me. I have belligerent will power. Although, that single aspect has kept me alive more times than it almost killed me.
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First I want to thank the SAR people, I thank the gods for them. True heroes of my lifetime and like dipbait said,
I'll probably be the next idiot they rescue!
I think this kid did what he could. He told others of his plans, he was reasonably prepared, but he had an accident.
That can happen to anyone.
I'll probably be the next idiot they rescue!
I think this kid did what he could. He told others of his plans, he was reasonably prepared, but he had an accident.
That can happen to anyone.
Wow, Im suprised to see this stayed civil, good work guys.
For what its worth, coming from a Farily often used SAR group I think the hardest thing, is something that has allready been said. If we were to start charging for a search, most people wouldn't even want to go out, or they would, but be very cautious. Parks, resorts, skiing resorts all those places are going to take a hit if people dont want to come out anymore in fear of getting charged for it.
What we've started doing is sending Estimations of cost for the search to negligent Victims. We also do a Quarterly on the local radio to let people know how much we spend in the run of a year.
We also dont want start the charging of people because it would beat the purpose of us being there, though I would love for the idiots to Literly PAY for the shit I've had to go through to save their ass, I also have voulenteered to do it.
If there was a way that we could be funded by the government, and be treated the same as other Emergency professionals, and have that ability to work as our own oganization, we would be set.
For what its worth, coming from a Farily often used SAR group I think the hardest thing, is something that has allready been said. If we were to start charging for a search, most people wouldn't even want to go out, or they would, but be very cautious. Parks, resorts, skiing resorts all those places are going to take a hit if people dont want to come out anymore in fear of getting charged for it.
What we've started doing is sending Estimations of cost for the search to negligent Victims. We also do a Quarterly on the local radio to let people know how much we spend in the run of a year.
We also dont want start the charging of people because it would beat the purpose of us being there, though I would love for the idiots to Literly PAY for the shit I've had to go through to save their ass, I also have voulenteered to do it.
If there was a way that we could be funded by the government, and be treated the same as other Emergency professionals, and have that ability to work as our own oganization, we would be set.
some of the opinions here dont really surprise me.
it kinda parrallels with my understanding of the american healthcare system, but i dont want to get into that.
I've never been in a search and rescue situation nor do i know anyone that has, however i dont think that australians pay for search and rescue. The people doing it are either volunteers, or its their job and they get payed by taxes anyway.
it kinda parrallels with my understanding of the american healthcare system, but i dont want to get into that.
I've never been in a search and rescue situation nor do i know anyone that has, however i dont think that australians pay for search and rescue. The people doing it are either volunteers, or its their job and they get payed by taxes anyway.
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Keep this talk civil Wolfenhawk. We don't want to close ANOTHER stupid hiker/hikers pay for evac/ SAR thread.
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Joezilla's right, but I am more inclined to excise the offender than shut the thread -- especially since everyone else avoided taking the bait. 
It's a simple rule: beat on the topic, not on each other.
Except Bushman5 -- you can beat on him, he enjoys it!
Seriously, I don't know why this is so contentious. We have many other emergency services. Some we get routinely at no extra cost, like police. Some we get we know we'll pay for, like medical (in the US anyway). My town has volunteer fire. They ask for supplementary donations each year, but equipment comes from the town.
The only problem with charging for SAR is that all of this is new and sudden for most of the (rescued) people involved. It's as if it got made a crime to go for a dayhike and fall down. After a widespread discussion, in legislatures and the media, we could think about it. But just popping up with confiscatory policies out of nowhere -- or a bureaucratic, regulatory hellhole -- no, that's not democratic.
It's a simple rule: beat on the topic, not on each other.
Except Bushman5 -- you can beat on him, he enjoys it!
Seriously, I don't know why this is so contentious. We have many other emergency services. Some we get routinely at no extra cost, like police. Some we get we know we'll pay for, like medical (in the US anyway). My town has volunteer fire. They ask for supplementary donations each year, but equipment comes from the town.
The only problem with charging for SAR is that all of this is new and sudden for most of the (rescued) people involved. It's as if it got made a crime to go for a dayhike and fall down. After a widespread discussion, in legislatures and the media, we could think about it. But just popping up with confiscatory policies out of nowhere -- or a bureaucratic, regulatory hellhole -- no, that's not democratic.
I think that if any payment is made, it should be done in the form of volunteer service, where the person/s can actually learn something from their mistake and pay back in a meaningful manner. Whether that's helping maintain equipment, assisting on training exercises, or using whatever skills the person has or can gain to contribute, it'd be better than a state agency charging the person with a fine for things that should already have been covered by tax dollars.
I'm not saying this should apply to anyone, just the worse off of the willfully ignorant. Actual accidents do happen, prepared or not. Then again, you get people like the kid who was working in Alaska for the summer and had to have SAR haul his butt out not one, not two, but THREE times. Someone like that could use a little volunteer work, provided it was directly related somehow to SAR and not road side clean up detail.
I'm pretty sure that any civilian SAR isn't going to see the state levied fines. I'd rather see the folks at SAR get a new helper than the local government get more money to burn.
I'm not saying this should apply to anyone, just the worse off of the willfully ignorant. Actual accidents do happen, prepared or not. Then again, you get people like the kid who was working in Alaska for the summer and had to have SAR haul his butt out not one, not two, but THREE times. Someone like that could use a little volunteer work, provided it was directly related somehow to SAR and not road side clean up detail.
I'm pretty sure that any civilian SAR isn't going to see the state levied fines. I'd rather see the folks at SAR get a new helper than the local government get more money to burn.