SHTF Rifle of Choice

I honestly can't see an advantage to the .223. It's commonly available, cheap, and not bulky as rifle centerfire goes. But it doesn't really do much....

for longer ranges I see no reason to use a .223 unless I'm very specifically trying to saturate an area with fire and just want to worry about people, not food.

You ever hunt with it. I know for a fact a soft point 223 will drop a buck. And if you're not worried about a trophy (Survival Situation) it'll take larger game with a head shot no problem. I know 223 isn't the most powerful drop a bomb and blow someone in half type of round. But it's accurate, flat shooting, and does quite enough damage to make itself useful. In a realistic survival or SHTF type of scenario I don't think anyone is taking shots outside of 500 yards. 223 is dandy for that. I can see why a shooter out to 1000 yards would want a 308 or better. But shooting for food or defense doesn't require those types of ranges.
 
I used to own a Winchester Model 70 in 30-06 for hunting and it was great but the lack of ability to mount lighting would have me shy away from it for this purpose.

I don't really wanna wade into this topic again as I've already made my views clear in another thread. But this statement caught my attention. I have a Model 70 in 7mm RM. Why can't you mount a light on it? I don't have a light mounted on my Model 70, and don't think I would consider mounting one or consider it as my main SHTF rifle, but I do have a light mounted on my Mossberg 500 using a universal light mount kit which would work just as well on my Model 70. So why not just get a Universal light mount kit if you think a Model 70 would otherwise be ideal for your purpose?. It's basically just a simple clamp; one side clamps on the barrel of the rifle, or in the case of my shotgun the magazine, and the other side clamps around the barrel of the mini flashlight....simple .... and mine works just fine on my shotgun.
 
There's endless debate about this topic. You could visit a number of sites (http://zombiehunters.org/forum is fun) and check out their "What one rifle?" threads, which come out surprisingly like our "What one knife?" threads here. There are the AK/AR debates (which read suspiciously like the chopper/bushcrafter discussions here), the "manly rifle" v. "poodle shooter" arguments, and the traditionalist v. modern disputes. However, Your emphasis on relatively short distance and low weight help simplify the question.

The short version is this - buy an AR-15, lots of mags and ammo. The AR platform is lightweight, as is the ammo (critical if you're carrying it). The modern rifles are very reliable and accurate. They accomodate every accessory imaginable (for ludicrous example, here's a mount for a Glock 19 - http://www.fab-defense.com/en/categ...niveral-tactical-attachment-for-glock-19.html - insert "Pimp My Rifle" meme here: "Yo, dawg, I herd ya like guns, so I mounted a gun on yer gun so you can shoot while you shoot."). The ARs are also flexible, in that a user can change out barrels and upper receivers for different lengths and calibers.

More importantly for SHTF, ARs are the most popular rifle in the U.S. They are the duty weapons for almost all military and many - if not most - police organizations. Ammo, magazines and replacement parts are (and likely would continue to be) abundant. Familiarity with the AR system is therefore a useful skill to pick up.

This guy's put together a comparison guide for shoppers, and keeps it updated:

http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=6642

His chart explains the desirable features of a quality AR, and which manufacturers have which features. Here's the chart:

http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pwswheghNQsEuEhjFwPrgTA&gid=5

According to that chart, one of the better bargains ("bang for the buck" - ouch) is CMMG. CMMG has been running something lately on their site called the "bargain bin" that might be worth looking into.

Have fun in your quest.

Holy Hell is that a ton of info...spent an hour on it already..great stuff.

I'm old school, so I've got a Winchester Model 94 lever action rifle and a Ruger revolver, both chambered for the .357 Magnum cartridge. I've tried the AR's and M-forgeries but they just don't feel right. The Winchester does, and I can hit whatever I aim at. Besides, having to stock only one caliber of ammunition makes things a lot easier. I say try a few and see which feels right for you. The rifle you shoot the best and feel the most comfortable with is the one you need to buy.

Very true...I am dead on balls with an M-16 and same with my old Model 70.

I don't really wanna wade into this topic again as I've already made my views clear in another thread. But this statement caught my attention. I have a Model 70 in 7mm RM. Why can't you mount a light on it? I don't have a light mounted on my Model 70, and don't think I would consider mounting one or consider it as my main SHTF rifle, but I do have a light mounted on my Mossberg 500 using a universal light mount kit which would work just as well on my Model 70. So why not just get a Universal light mount kit if you think a Model 70 would otherwise be ideal for your purpose?. It's basically just a simple clamp; one side clamps on the barrel of the rifle, or in the case of my shotgun the magazine, and the other side clamps around the barrel of the mini flashlight....simple .... and mine works just fine on my shotgun.

I used to have a Bennelli with one of those clamps and I was not impressed with it...might just have been that I got a shite one. I would prefer something that is made to securely mount accessories on...butI totally get where you are coming from.
 
I think in a (relatively short term) Katrina/Hati level SHTF event, a good case can be made for a lever action rifle in .357 or .44 caliber as a long arm of choice. Such rifles don't cost too much, are perhaps less likely to be confiscated that military style weapons, the ammunition is (relativly) inexpensive and easy to aquire and easier to store and carry than full size rifle or shotgun ammo.

I see this as a situation where you may need to defend yourself from random looters or feral animals, but are unlikely to have to face down large numbers of determined, heavily armed opponents. So, military grade hardware and ammunition are not really needed. Where you might like to supplement your food stores with easily harvested game but where difficult to take or dangerous game isn't really an issue. So, large caliber, sub-MOA, flat shooting ammunition isn't required.

Of course some other posters have made good arguments for their recomendations, and I really think this is a case where there is not really one best answer.
 
I don't see where having the ability to mount a light will make a bit of difference unless you're assaulting buildings. KISS is my motto, the more junk you hang on a weapon gives it more chances for Murphy's Law to kick in.

As far as just one weapon I don't have any druthers my AR, SKS, Enfield, or even my Savage 110 in 7mm Rem Mag would be fine. The .22 or 12ga would also do just as well. My plans just involve protecting the family and property. I have old folks to look after so bugging out ain't really an option unless they're properly taken care of first.

In the US I'd think a good supply of food, water, and medical supplies to last a couple of weeks would suffice. Some medical training would be good to. Disease and illness would kill more folks by far than the zombies or looters would.
 
Well...........for better or worse....... i would pick my Henry 22mag lever rifle. has a Millet red dot on it. ammo is light to carry and it holds 11 rounds. it is an absolute tack driver out to 100 meters.

a 22mag hitting COM at 1900fps is nothing to sneeze at.

backup would be my Ruger Speed Six. :D
 
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Ok, the wife and I were revisiting the topic of the SHTF scenario as we were watching the stack bodies in Haiti. One of the few components we lack is a rifle. What would you recommend. I need a hunting caliber that will double as a security measure. I was thinking an AR-10 might fit the bill especially due to the ability to add accessory rails on it and the plus of being able to piece together components over time so as not to break the bank. Weight would also be an issue so no bull barrels or Barretts :D .

I used to own a Winchester Model 70 in 30-06 for hunting and it was great but the lack of ability to mount lighting would have me shy away from it for this purpose. I don't think I foresee any instance with a shot over say...200 yards. My 70 was spot on at 500 but in this instance accuracy is not an issue at those distances so bolt action is not necessarily a primary concern. However, cost of ammo and ease of obtaining it is.

So, give me your recommendation and tell me why...I am going to rightly assume that many of you are more schooled on the matter than I am. I have some knowledge of the Marlin, DPMS, ROck River, Bushmaster, and Winchester products but I am by no means an expert...school me.

Spot on at 500 is quite a feat with that kind of expertise you could take any accurate, reliable rifle at any time and make it great.

Improvise-adapt-overcome, I am fine with whatever the first set of looters bring to my house.
 
I couldn't find any mention of the "exact" uses you intend to have this rifle fill. If you could be specific in the types of shooting/hunting/etc. you intend this rifle to perform, it would be easier to isolate one or two possibilities.

Thank you! :)
 
In a SHTF situation I would be grabbing my AR10. I have hunted with it and also done the most training with it. I am comfortable carrying it and I know it is accurate and reliable. It may be heavier than some other rifles I own, but it is the one I trust the most, so it would be coming with me along with as much ammo as I could stand to carry.
 
Spot on at 500 is quite a feat with that kind of expertise you could take any accurate, reliable rifle at any time and make it great.

Improvise-adapt-overcome, I am fine with whatever the first set of looters bring to my house.

Agreed. I was good with it cause at the time we were living in an old cabin on a 500 acre hunting preserve. Nugent style. Got to set up on my porch and had a clean 700 yard alley to shoot up. 500 yards was the end of the dirt road that went up the hill...so that is the furthest out my lazy ass put the targets.

I couldn't find any mention of the "exact" uses you intend to have this rifle fill. If you could be specific in the types of shooting/hunting/etc. you intend this rifle to perform, it would be easier to isolate one or two possibilities.

Thank you! :)

Here is my first post.
Ok, the wife and I were revisiting the topic of the SHTF scenario as we were watching the stack bodies in Haiti. One of the few components we lack is a rifle. What would you recommend. I need a hunting caliber that will double as a security measure. I was thinking an AR-10 might fit the bill especially due to the ability to add accessory rails on it and the plus of being able to piece together components over time so as not to break the bank. Weight would also be an issue so no bull barrels or Barretts .

I used to own a Winchester Model 70 in 30-06 for hunting and it was great but the lack of ability to mount lighting would have me shy away from it for this purpose. I don't think I foresee any instance with a shot over say...200 yards. My 70 was spot on at 500 but in this instance accuracy is not an issue at those distances so bolt action is not necessarily a primary concern. However, cost of ammo and ease of obtaining it is.

So, give me your recommendation and tell me why...I am going to rightly assume that many of you are more schooled on the matter than I am. I have some knowledge of the Marlin, DPMS, ROck River, Bushmaster, and Winchester products but I am by no means an expert...school me.
 
What will you be hunting exactly? It's a big difference between a squirrel and elk! ;) What ranges will you be expecting to shoot? A 20 yard shot at either can be covered with a short barreled .44, yet quarter mile shot at an elk require more. Are you expecting to use it defensively to cover any wide open terrain? How long of shots would you expect to take if necessary?

Thanks!
 
If mobility were part of the calculus, I'd go with the 10/22 because it reliable, lightweight, adequate for squirrels or looters, and shoots around that you can be carried by the thousand.

Now, if I were hunkered down at home, it would be a larger round because I wouldn't be packing around a bunch of ammo. Its already here.
 
What will you be hunting exactly? It's a big difference between a squirrel and elk! ;) What ranges will you be expecting to shoot? A 20 yard shot at either can be covered with a short barreled .44, yet quarter mile shot at an elk require more. Are you expecting to use it defensively to cover any wide open terrain? How long of shots would you expect to take if necessary?

Thanks!

I have a .40 for short shots that I referred to already.
I already mentioned distance.
 
If mobility were part of the calculus, I'd go with the 10/22 because it reliable, lightweight, adequate for squirrels or looters, and shoots around that you can be carried by the thousand.

Now, if I were hunkered down at home, it would be a larger round because I wouldn't be packing around a bunch of ammo. Its already here.

True. However, I would be limited to small game. Mobility may not be critical but it is important.
 
I don't mean to be that negative guy. But the Best SHTF rifle is the one that you have with you when the sh!t hits the fan. We could talk endless BS about calibers and weapon systems but in my experience it comes down to one thing. Training. I emphasize three things to my guys: Fieldcraft, tactics, Marksmanship. Get proficient at all of them and any weapon you wield that you are experienced with can be used within it's capabilities effectively. The weapon is just a tool. I would like to see more threads that say. 'Best training for SHTF'

That's my .02
 
For a all around rifle for defense/offense and hunting I prefer the .223 (AR or my, lighter weight, ruger (mini 14) ranch rifle) with a .22 adapter. The .223 allows a reasonable ammo load to be carried, relatively portable reloading equipment (the potential to swage your own copper jacketed rounds) and (with good shot placement) works OK for (anti-)social occasions. Small game can be taken (using the .22 adapter allowing use of everything from CB caps to long rifles on a single shot basis (if you need multiple shots at a squirrel or rabbit your survival chances are small to begin with)).
Note; I would never purchase a rifle because you can attach large amounts of garbage to it (accuracy, precision and reliability are the important things to go for).

For a hand gun I prefer my .45 officers' model (can still hit dinner plates at 100 yards). Its small, relatively concealable and relatively easy to pack/carry.
The .45 round is a proven man stopper, allows the use of cast slugs (can be done over a campfire) with fewer issues due to the relatively low muzzle velocity, and the reloading tools are very portable.

Enjoy!
 
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