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Progunner closed my MILITARY PHOTO OP thread because it was a "troll train". Smells more like a cover-up to me.

I was indirectly threatened, insulted, and questioned many times over; yet have attempted to remain polite, respectful, and direct.

I was looking for pictures of miltary contract knives.

NO PICTURES WERE DISCOVERED!

Hundreds upon hundreds of military contract knives and not a single picture?

Troops can and do show other knives and guns all the time, so anonymity is a moot point. I have served in the military for over 13 years and have never seen a Busse knife purchased.

It is blatently obvious that some of the "enthusiasts" on this board have alterior motives. They may even be rewarded by Busse. Progunner- I checked the whole pictures thread and there are no military photos. This might not be a forum, but rather an ad campaign. I will be deleting my profile unless someone wants to do the right thing and re-open the MILITARY PHOTO OP thread.
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LP, Seems I'm late to THIS party, but before you go away whining... and don't let ME stop you, I seem to recall several pix from nick681, showing his favorite 2 Busse knives, both in the 'Sandbox', and at his wedding. I posted a LINK to a thread where another respected Forum member, EverTheCynic, has posted pix of his 2 Busses that he brought to Afghanistan, where he is serving his tour... Obviously, you decided to not look at this thread or the pix within. You WANT to see a Mili contract knife??? Here's one offered as an overrun to us last year...
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Something more recent???
Try this... (the two at the top are the mili overruns from Swamp Rat Knife Co.)
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There... I did your ****in' homework for you. Here's the deal. If you like the knives, buy them. If not, then DON'T... PLEASE. More for those of us who KNOW. To accuse 'us' of being somehow complicit in a scam to defraud others is just WRONG in all respects, and now I see why you chose the user name that you have... The problem is that you think that you are 'slicing' us with your words and accusations, but all's we feel is a very 'LITTLE PRICK'... and that's it, troll. You think that we're 'jumping' you? 'Threatening' you?? Maybe then you should stop being an asshat and show a little respect to these fine people here as a human being to other human beings, instead of running around yelling PICTURES PICTURES PICTURES, like a child in the throws of a temper tantrum. :thumbdn::grumpy: Grow UP, do your OWN freakin' HOMEWORK, and decide for YOURSELF. THAT'S what we ALL did before we bought Busse knives... WE are SATISFIED CUSTOMERS, and NOT on Busse Combat's PAYROLL. THAT is the TRUTH, take IT or leave IT. 'Nuff said.

Jaxx
 
To be honest my impression of a military order could be a small as a few guys in a unit deciding they want a certain blade made (Busse obviously has the capacity and desire for custom work). They get some guys together who want in. They collaborate on design and Jerry makes the "Military Order" based on production prices and NOT custom prices which would have been a tough nut for me when I served. This to me would also be a greater gift to me when I served than just getting in front of the line. An outstanding knifemaker making me and some buddies what would basically be a custom knife at a price I can afford. I think it's pretty ridiculous to think they would be offered at a PX or that they would be issue. In fact many designs are at the margin of what many in military leadership find acceptable so that is even more unlikely. It could be that a military "overrun" could be greater in number than the number of blades that go to a "unit" (which again could be a group of guys on a certain base in reality) but that more blades are produced just to make all the retooling and so forth worth while. I just don't need to know the answer because I like the knives. A LOT.

In this case, you would not come across these knives very often. Is the question of military orders REALLY the issue with you guys? If it's quality and fuction worthy of the hype that is the real issue with you, then compare them against the stuff you really believe in and get back to us.

I have concerns about people comercializing military "support". There is no shortage of posers out there. If you are serving and doubt Busse, that's cool. I can respect a difference of opinion. If you are a poser then you will eventually be flushed out some day... whether it's here on Bladeforums or even worse, in your "real" life. The guys I know who serve/have served wouldn't take the time to write a series of sniveling posts as highlighted here.
 
Controversy is always entertaining so let me begin by thanking all who have become embroiled in this, most interesting, conflict. If LP merely wished to "muddy" the waters he did a fine job. If, however, he desired crisp and clear information he went about it in an extremely foolish manner. All my dealing with Busse has revealed a company devoted to quality and customer satisfaction. There hard use blades leave little to be desired. Courteous, generous, responsible and friendly are just some of the adjectives I would use to describe their operation. If LP had asked for pictures or proof without resorting to implication and innuendo he might have gotten some satisfaction and enlightenment rather than negativity.
To LP: It costs nothing to be polite and respectful.
To Busse: I don't care who you supply as long as there is some for me. Well, that is not entirely true. I would hate to see Taliban fighters brandishing Battle Mistresses. Perish the thought but I don't think we need worry about that.
Thanks to Jerry and all the people at Busse for some of the best knife related experiences I have had. Keep up the amazing work and please do not change a thing. I don't even mind if you don't make a folder.
 
Dunner said:
... I would be that a military "overrun" could be greater in number than the number of blades that go to a "unit" (which again could be a group of guys on a certain base in reality) but that more blades are produced just to make all the retooling and so forth worth while.
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I agree, I think that while Jerry's got the CNC machines programmed and running, he just makes extras to make it worth his while, there can't be much money in running small military custom orders, and he is running a business after all (and kudos to Jerry for doing this, I know we all appreciate it !)
 
LP, All things considered and strong feelings aside, I feel that I need to point out a couple things. There are many aspects to "Military". There are "contractors", Ops groups and/or teams, foreign military, LEOs and private sector training facilitators to name a few. In addition to Jerry's privacy (It is a closed shop. Try getting into sections of FAS, Raytheon, Lockheed Martin, etc., etc.), some of the entities that contract with Busse Combat do not want any images of kit or personnel in public domain. My family has a very complex history of U.S. Military involvement, and I have personally seen handmade, Cold Steel, custom and, yes, a couple Busse Combat tools on personnel in different situations. No pics, because I respect their privacy and a camera is of the least concern while training. I have not seen Busse blades on regular military, but my involvement on that level was short and limited.
So, if you feel we are defensive, your right. You came across obnoxious and condescending without any real merit. I find that very offensive.
Besides, I am just a Busse fan-boy. But that makes me a fan-boy of the best.
 
Good points.

When people hear "military contract," they may suddenly leap to the conclusion that someone is supplying the entire military with a product, when that's so seldom the case.
 
What silence? All I can hear now are the elves chattering.
 
I really hope that this guy's claim of 13 years of service isn't true.

I say that because I would expect better behavior of someone who has been in the service for that long.

Nothing really overtly hostile occurred, but the underlying attitude was less than exemplary.


Thanks to Eric for digging up that old post about the Israeli Soldier.
It reminds us that there are more than one military organization fighting this current war, and that Busse's are probably going to other nations (who may, or may not be friendly with each other, thus offering a possible explanation for much of the secrecy involved).

All things being equal, however, who cares if military units use Busse or not.
Military use doesn't effect quality.

As Jerry will probably say:
Let's Drink
 
OK, I tried not to get involved, but I feel this thread is missing something crucial to negate the premise of the Prick's original post.

Please note I'm not in the military, I don't play a soldier on TV, but I've done enough "homework" when I put together my collector's site to make me feel I can / should comment on this. I also majored in economics FWIW, so here is "the rub" to your theory as I see it:

When Jerry does clearance runs on the "military overrun" knives, they are SOLD BELOW the current market value of his production knives. He is CLEARING them OUT at cost. Case in point the standard Hell Razors sold for $287 (+ options) originally and the MO Mud Razor came in at $247 and sold in limited quanities.

If someone was to use MO as a marketing ploy to sell their knives why would they sell them cheaper then their production knives? Maybe its just me and I'M MISSING the point of your post, but I don't get it.

Greg
BusseCollector (another unpaid supporter of Busse Combat)
 
BusseCollector said:
OK, I tried not to get involved, but I feel this thread is missing something curial to negate the premise of the Prick's original post.

Please note I'm not in the military, I don't play a soldier on TV, but I've done enough "homework" when I put together my collector's site to make me feel I can / should comment on this. I also majored in economics FWIW, so here is "the rub" to your theory as I see it:

When Jerry does clearance runs on the "military overrun" knives, they are SOLD BELOW the current market value of his production knives. He is CLEARING them OUT at cost. Case in point the standard Hell Razors sold for $287 (+ options) originally and the MO Mud Razor came in at $247 and sold in limited quanities.

If someone was to use MO as a marketing ploy to sell their knives why would they sell them cheaper then their production knives? Maybe its just me and I'M MISSING the point of your post, but I don't get it.

Greg
BusseCollector (another unpaid supporter of Busse Combat)
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How dare you use educated reasoning!:foot:

;) :D ;) :D
 
Hi, I’m a keebler elf… but I’m not here to neither confirm nor deny whether or not there are any orders with Busse… but I will say this… if you think about it, a Sus Scrofa would be a pretty big chopper for a little elf. ;) :D

Now seriously… what difference does it make whether or not Busse holds military contracts??? Especially when there are plenty of real, hard use examples available (industry event competitions, reviews in trade journals and by respected industry professionals, videos and pics of what these knives are capable of here on the forum) to put any “hype” concerns of a discerning buyer to rest… not to mention the toughest guarantee in the business! I mean really… do you need proof that the military orders them or uses them, on top of what’s readily available, to feel confident that these knives will take what you can dish??? :confused: Does Jerry need to use the military angle to market (in effect, lend credibility) to his knives beyond what is readily available??? :confused: :confused: I don’t think so.

OK… time to go… I need to go increase the flow of the chocolate river. Seems the demand has spiked ever since the rumor got out the we’re using Busse cookie cutters! :eek: :D :p


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No elves were hurt as a result of this post. And, I'm not really an elf... but if asked, I'd play one on TV! :D
 
Also, for what it is worth. While looking for the pic of the Israeli soldier I found several other pics of soldiers carrying Busse's, however, these individuals are no longer active here and I wouldn't want to post their pics without their consent. (they originally posted them on the forums, but I wouldn't want my pic posted on a public forum without knowing it were taking place so I choose not to post them)

There are other pics, just because you haven't seen them doesn't mean that they don't exist.
 
I feel that i must claim the term "Cookie Cutter" as my intellectual property( however you spell it) in case they come to fruition...I would like #1...at cost.
 
Troll, Troll, Troll your boat......

I don't know why you guys are wasting your time with these bozos. (Sorry Bozo) Even if they are not the same person, they are obviously Trolls.
 
Lil' Foo said:
Hi, I’m a keebler elf… but I’m not here to neither confirm nor deny whether or not there are any orders with Busse… but I will say this… if you think about it, a Sus Scrofa would be a pretty big chopper for a little elf. ;) :D

Now seriously… what difference does it make whether or not Busse holds military contracts??? Especially when there are plenty of real, hard use examples available (industry event competitions, reviews in trade journals and by respected industry professionals, videos and pics of what these knives are capable of here on the forum) to put any “hype” concerns of a discerning buyer to rest… not to mention the toughest guarantee in the business! I mean really… do you need proof that the military orders them or uses them, on top of what’s readily available, to feel confident that these knives will take what you can dish??? :confused: Does Jerry need to use the military angle to market (in effect, lend credibility) to his knives beyond what is readily available??? :confused: I don’t think so.

OK… time to go… I need to go increase the flow of the chocolate river. Seems the demand has spiked ever since the rumor got out the we’re using Busse cookie cutters! :eek: :D :p


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No elves were hurt as a result of this post. And, I'm not really an elf... but if asked, I'd play one on TV!
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Let me start by saying that there is no dought in my mind that Jerry supplies knives to military and paramilitary units under contract. As alot of you know I also own a number of Busse Knives as well as rats. Not quite enough yet :eek: , but still quite a few.

To address the part I highlighted in Red. If Jerry were lying about his supplying military contracts ( which I am sure he is not ) it would be a very big deal. It wouldn't change the quality of his knives, but it would say alot about his values and ethics as well as those associated with him professionally, and turn alot of people away from his products. Then we could have multiple threads going in GB&U about Jerry. It would put him in the same special place in hell another famed knife maker will end up for his lies and half truths concerning military matters.:thumbdn: :barf:

In closing let me reitterate that I firmly believe in Jerry, Eric, Dan and the knives that are produced by Busse combat.
 
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