Sig Sauer screwed me over big time in a warranty issue...

WOW, sounds like a stand up company after all :) makes me wonder if the energy wasted on this thread could have been used more productively in the first place....glad it turned out good for you and i can't wait till you get your gun back so we can read your public apology to Sig. :) :thumbup:

Apology for what?

"To get my gun most of the way back to original has taken me several months, many emails, phone calls, and a letter. This has of course been a pain, but it looks like they want to make it better."

Thanks to the customer service guy who realized way after the fact that his office messed up, apologized himself, and offered to make it right.

Thereby admitting that michaelmcgo has been right about this all along.
 
Apology for what?

"To get my gun most of the way back to original has taken me several months, many emails, phone calls, and a letter. This has of course been a pain, but it looks like they want to make it better."

Thanks to the customer service guy who realized way after the fact that his office messed up, apologized himself, and offered to make it right.

Thereby admitting that michaelmcgo has been right about this all along.

Well, yeah!.
About time you caught up.

I am a sick man...
 
WOW, sounds like a stand up company after all :) makes me wonder if the energy wasted on this thread could have been used more productively in the first place....glad it turned out good for you and i can't wait till you get your gun back so we can read your public apology to Sig. :) :thumbup:

I began calling Sig Sauer in late January, it is now 4 months later and I still have to send in my gun once again to get 1 of the 4 things corrected BACK TO ORIGINAL FORM. I called for 2 weeks, have 25 email to them (which they started ignoring several weeks ago) and it took a written letter to somebody above the people I was dealing with to get anybody to do anything to START to return my pistol to original form.

Since they already apologized for how they treated me, I don't I will be apologizing to them. Sig makes very nice guns, but didn't stand behind them in the way I hoped in my person expirience. I don't understand why you guys attack me when I did none of this to myself and I am just trying to give people an impression of what Sig Sauer CS is like. I posted right away when they did something right, some of you read and loved that but disregarded EVERYTHING else I said up to that statement.

Not Sig's fault, but thier Kool-Aid seems to be extra sweet with some of you....
 
For a time I worked in one of the largest gun shops (in terms of sales volume) in the country: Larry's in Huntsville, Alabama. At the time, we were the second largest Ruger dealer in the country (behind Walmart), the largest Springfield Armory dealer in the country and second in the world, the second largest Smith and Wesson dealer in the country, and right on up there with just about any other brand you could name. I say "at the time" because I don't know where the current rankings sit, but I know Larry's is still going strong.

Anyway, my point:
There is not a single manufacturer you can buy from that doesn't occasionally squeeze out a lemon. I've seen broken Sigs, broken Glocks, broken HKs and everything else. Almost all of them, even outside a warranty period, will make some effort to put things right if they go wrong. I have many, many Sig pistols, and I like them and even have had one CS issue (recall on the first batch of P238s that came out) which they handled extremely efficiently. In this case, it sounds like they dropped the ball a bit, but it's hardly indicative of their record.

A couple things: as has been mentioned, do not EVER send any gun company your gun with any kind of accessory installed on it, be it grips, sights (yes, I know in this case the sights were original, I'm just throwing it out there), extra magazines or what have you. In fact, if it's an auto, don't even send the factory magazines back with the gun at all, and I don't give a damn if the CS rep tells you to. Unless the magazine itself is the problem, don't send them in with the gun, period. That way, they can't be lost, and I promise you the manufacturer has plenty of mags to use for function testing.

Now as far as customer service goes---
When the store was handling the repair/warranty stuff instead of the customers (some people don't live anywhere near a non-satellite UPS drop off) these were the absolute top three companies to deal with:

Smith and Wesson---not the fastest turnaround of the three, but always very accommodating and easy to check up with for status updates. Lifetime warranty on all their products, consistently honored this warranty even on used guns.

Ruger---fast turnaround, not as easy to get updates from but mainly because they don't have as many people answering the phones. Lifetime warranty on all their products, consistently honored this warranty even on used guns. No I didn't just forget and copy-paste that line from S&W above--all of these companies stand behind their products, new or used.

Thompson Center---the best of an extremely strong group here. Fall all over themselves to make you happy. Only had two warranty issues with them while I was working at Larry's (and again, that store moves more guns in a month than most shops do in a year) and both were back from T/C in record time. One of those two was an older Contender with a trigger guard/lever that had been knocked out of alignment because the customer tripped and fell on it while hunting--that was the issue it was being returned for, and the customer was not even sure it should have been covered since it was his fault. When the gun came back, it had the problem fixed, new wood, and had been reblued. When we talked to them, they said that the replacement trigger guard "just looked way too new compared to the rest of the gun which had bluing wear, and after they'd re-blued it, the scratched/dinged stock didn't look good on it." Completely refurbished it, and had it back in our hands--and his shortly thereafter--in three weeks.

Not saying there aren't other outfits with solid customer service, just that those three were the ones I was most happy to deal with--whether as a dealer or as a customer--on the rare instances when something would go wrong with their guns, and I do mean rare. Part of being able to have lifetime, almost unconditional warranties is building the damned things right to begin with. ;)
 
Wow, I won't be buying a Sig...

but here's my story with Ruger.

I was shooting my SP101 snubnose with some super hot Double Tap Ammo, 1605fps, 710ft/lb. Along with assorted other hi-power loads.

Now let me remind you Ruger has no implied warranty.

I cracked the forcing cone/barrel, so I just sent it in, didn't even have to call. The service info said to remove all items you might want, so I sent the gun in a crappy old hard case I didn't want anymore. I received a notice a week after I shipped it that confirmed Ruger's receipt of my gun. Then a few days later the UPS man comes to my door with a package from Ruger....in it is my crappy case they sent back for free. LOL.


About the same time, a CS rep from Ruger calls to tell me my gun is being fixed and it will be back in my hands less than a month from when I shipped it out. No charge.

While I haven't gotten my gun back yet, I am extremely pleased with their CS. I was already thinking about buying an SR9c but now I will for sure.

I have never been disappointed with a service issue with Ruger. I have an old Mark1 I have been shooting for 20 years now. I bought it used. My father has his Mark2 that he has been shooting for almost as long. He finally broke an extractor. They fixed it for free. (and then the guy who he talked to at customer service told him first off, never sell it, and if he does, give the customer service guy first dibs. because it was out of production for decades ).

I have almost bought a Sig on several occasions, but went with a glock for simplicity for the wife ti shoot.
 
I sent my NIB P220R to their custom shop several months ago, I had them install the SRT trigger, Action enhancement package, and their P and SP which includes all new springs and installation of Night sights, not only did I have my pistol back at my house 10 days after being sent off they did an EXCELLENT job and sent me all off my parts back in a bag. I have all of the faith in the world in them but I am also someone who stays in contact with ANYONE who does anything to my firearms, I will be sending them my Nickel plated German p220 for some work and I have no worries :)
 
I've been contemplating the Action Enhancement Package for my P225. what do you think about it? is it worth the $$$?
 
Got my Sig back today! It came with night sights and a metal guide rod! A free magazine was thrown in as well. It didn't come with a solid trigger or my original grips, but I'll call that a wash on account of the complimentary magazine.

I am satisfied with the gun and will keep it. I am still bummed at Sig Sauer because it took me 4 months and a lot of headaches to get back to square one. The very fast and professional service of the current CS rep I've been dealing with did lead me to believe I am a flyer in this situation. I will probably not buy another Sig for a while, perhaps forever, because of this. Their guns simply cost too much to have the risk of this happening if I ever have to activate the warranty again.

Thank you for those of you who had kind and encouraging words.
 
Glad to hear they finally made it right. :thumbup:

I just don't understand the whole "shoot the messenger" attitude so often seen on the forums. Your negative experience was just as real to you as other folks positive experience was to them. Neither one necessarily defines a company, but is just a snapshot at a point in time.
 
It seems Sig still has spotty customer service after all those dealings.

As an update to my story:

Ruger returned my gun after 3 weeks with everything except for the frame replaced, and the frame was refinished.

I am very satisfied. They also sent me new grips and papers.
 
Unfortunately, this is becoming par for the course with Sig. Example: they have now restricted certain trigger groups to LE purchases only (granted, most folks are getting around this because LE dealers are willing to sell to non-LE customers).

I'm glad they made it right for you, but I won't be rushing to buy another Sig again. I've played that game, and they are nonchalant at best, rude at worst.

From my (relatively extensive) customer support experiences:

Best I've had: S&W, hands down. They truly stand behind their products.

Also top notch: Springfield. Extremely friendly and very accomodating.

Decent: Kimber. I was lucky, not everyone has had such good luck. I made a good contact at the factory, and have been treated right by them ever since.

Worst: Taurus. I've sent the same gun back to them twice, and each time they send it back with the same problem (instantly obvious without even firing the gun).

Take my experiences for what they're worth...I'm an instructor and have had a very wide variety of pistols pass in and out of my hands over the years. That said, as with all internet advice, it's worth what you paid for it. ;)

-Mark
 
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