Similar quality to CV swayback?

Bastid said:
The collaboration knives are in another ballpark as opposed to the production knives.
Here is a shot of all except the muskrat and Yukon skinner.

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Here is my muskrat.

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Thanks for taking the time to gather it up and shoot it for us Jason.
 
mnblade said:
I keep reading things like "People say the cv swayback is head-and-shoulders above the other Chestnut cv Case knives." But can anyone here offer a first-hand, eye-witness account of whether or not this is so? Has anyone here handled multiple specimens from Case's Chestnut cv line?

Or has the "difference" in quality between the swayback and the other patterns from that series just become accepted (but unsubstantiated) "conventional wisdom?"

I guess you could say that, as a recovered steel snob who's re-learned the joys of "lowly" Case and Victorinox and Buck knives, etc., I'm a bit of a skeptic when it comes to conventional wisdom about knives.
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I don't own any of the others, but I just handled most of the line a week ago at a Case dealer here in town.
They are not quite on par with the Swayback. They are nice no doubt, and for the money are IMHO a good buy, but they are not "massaged" like the Swayback is.
See if this doesn't answer some of your questions about the Swayback:
http://www.wrcase.com/pressroom/articles/31/1/Tony-Bose-Inspires-Caseas-New-Sway-Back-Jack-TBa117/Page1.html

The Swayback is unique, even among the other knives in the group. It is built to a higher standard according to Case.

I wish they would/could build the whole Chestnut Bone CV line to same tolerances, but I don't think they could do it for just that line. Those patterns would all be better, but cost substantially more up and down the line, and I doubt they could maintain sales if that were the case. I would buy them all in Chestnut/CV, eventually, but I think I may be more the exception than the rule in the big picture. Who knows.
 
mnblade said:
But can anyone here offer a first-hand, eye-witness account of whether or not this is so? Has anyone here handled multiple specimens from
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I have handled 4 different patterns in the line and I thought they were all good. In general I think Case has been knocking it out of the park all around in their QC and F&F lately.

What is sad, is Case discoed the Red Bone Medium Congress in CV this year and replaced it with the Humpback. Congress in CV yowza??? Great knife and Case has the best congress pattern. I always wondered why it did not get more press.

I think the swayback is more popular for a few reasons..

1. A Bose custom design now available to all for a decent price

2. Half-stops and CV - this is causes a Pavlov response in most traditional guys.

3. Newer pattern ramped up from a hard copy means newer dies and usually cleaner lines and tighter tolerances.

4. Notice the grind of the tang ricasso area on the Swayback. Much more pleasing to the eye then the normal Case knife.

5. Wharncliffe main blade which has become the new black in the Traditional world.

Overall I would not hesitate to buy any of the CV Chestnuts if you find a pattern that you like. If you do not have a Swayback it should be on your buy list for the reasons above and just because it is a nice U.S. made traditional.
 
FLymon said:
See if this doesn't answer some of your questions about the Swayback:
http://www.wrcase.com/pressroom/articles/31/1/Tony-Bose-Inspires-Caseas-New-Sway-Back-Jack-TBa117/Page1.html

The Swayback is ... built to a higher standard according to Case.
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That's an interesting link. But actually, aside from a lot of talk about how distinct the pattern is, the only thing that addresses any difference in quality is the quote from Tom Arrowsmith, where he says, "The Case Sway Back Jack sets a new standard for us, and setting higher standards is vital to any successful American manufacturer." And that's just pretty much standard PR-speak.

However, I can't argue with this:

FLymon said:
I don't own any of the others, but I just handled most of the line a week ago at a Case dealer here in town.
They are not quite on par with the Swayback. They are nice no doubt, and for the money are IMHO a good buy, but they are not "massaged" like the Swayback is.
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Thanks, FLymon.
 
Thanks to everyone for taking the time and effort to post pics and respond to my questions. The hospitality of this sub forum is much appreciated!

I'm going to check out a GEC in the near future. Unfortunately I can't handle any of these puppies so I will had to buy online. I lucked out that I found a local dealer with the cv sway back. It kicks the butt quality wise of the boker I bought at the same time. I may try another in the cv chestnut line, but I'm hesitant to spend more for another inferior knife. I should have just bought th swayback online and saved the huge markup I paid on it and the boker. Likei said I'd prefer a larger blade, but I'm loving this swayback. It's kicked out all my other knives including my William henry's and has so far stopped my sebenza purchase.


-Freq
 
One more question, not sure if I asked it already but:

Is there a list of case/bose collaborations somewhere? Case's website seems to be incredibly sparse and non informative. Seems like there are a ton of models out there that are nowhere on their website.

Thanks!

-Freq
 
freq18hz said:
One more question, not sure if I asked it already but:

Is there a list of case/bose collaborations somewhere? Case's website seems to be incredibly sparse and non informative. Seems like there are a ton of models out there that are nowhere on their website.

Thanks!

-Freq
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Ask and ye shall receive...
 
JPN has documented them on Tony and Reese's site.

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Missed it by a minute :D.
 
You guys are great! Thanks so much! =)

Edit: Whhhhaaa.....whats this? A 3rd forum? Uh-oh... =)

Second Edit: When I say "need" I mean "severely want". I NEED that Dogleg jack =)

-Freq
 
There's lots of forums out there...some are quite good...but...

there's no place like home...


;)



(Then again, I may be somewhat biased. :D)
 
freq18hz said:
You guys are great! Thanks so much! =)

Edit: Whhhhaaa.....whats this? A 3rd forum? Uh-oh... =)

Second Edit: When I say "need" I mean "severely want". I NEED that Dogleg jack =)

-Freq
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What? Dog leg? Huh? :)

I love mine.

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Is there a reason why Case doesn't show these models on their site?

I'm confused why the Swayback CV would show up on their site as a Bose/Case collab, but all the rest do not? For instance this new Tribal Spear knife...nowhere do I see it on Case's website. Very confusing. :(


-Freq
 
Freq - keep your eyes out (especially on auction sites) those dog-legs come up on occasions. The dog-leg, whittler and Norfolk are my favorites of the Collaborations.

The dog leg is a great carry knife.

I still do not know how the heck they produced that "nasty" lockback whittler pattern. That must have been a huge challenge.

The one backspring Norfolk is just very cool and very pocket friendly with those sunken joints.
 
Yeah all those knives look awesome. I just don't understand why case doesn't put them on their site. You can already preorder one of those new spearpoint Bose/case knives, yet case doesn't even have a press release out, much less a page on their site. ;(

-Freq
 
freq18hz said:
Is there a reason why Case doesn't show these models on their site?

I'm confused why the Swayback CV would show up on their site as a Bose/Case collab, but all the rest do not? For instance this new Tribal Spear knife...nowhere do I see it on Case's website. Very confusing. :(


-Freq
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Okay, slow down, take a deep breath...one, two...one two...;)

I don't know if any of us can explain what gives on a site we have no control of and perhaps it's there but just hard to spot...

That said, the Swayback Jack pattern was provided to Case by Tony Bose. It is now part of their regular production despite having been provided by him.

The Case-Bose "Collaboration" knives are an annual issue, limited in number and produced by a handful of Case's top cutlers. These knives are near "custom knife" quality by and large. Some are exceptionally good in my experience.

The limited availability, superior construction (and Tony's pattern) are the reasons that they command much higher prices than standard production (regardless of the quality of a given pattern).
 
freq18hz said:
Is there a reason why Case doesn't show these models on their site?

I'm confused why the Swayback CV would show up on their site as a Bose/Case collab, but all the rest do not? For instance this new Tribal Spear knife...nowhere do I see it on Case's website. Very confusing. :(


-Freq
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You seem to have some trouble with this, so let me see if I can explain it a little.

Case has patterns that feature the designer or co-designer in the model number. The Swayback for instance is a TB62117 CV in the Chestnut Bone CV. The TB stands for Tony Bose. The Pocket Hunter is a TH62165SS (Pocket Worn Harvest Orange Stainless). The TH stands for the late Tommy Hart. Both of those (among others) are regular catalog production knives that credit someone specifically in the model number. The materials used are standard Case stock, in all the examples I can think of anyway.

The Annual Case/Bose collaboration is a totally separate series that is not meant to be a standard production knife. There have been one per year since they started and have a very limited production. These are very much a premium knife. The finish and attention to detail is of far higher quality than the standard production knives, and the blade steel is also premium.

I believe you have been directed to a list of the annual limited production collaboration knives. Just the pictures alone should hint (strongly) at a difference in those vs regular production models.

I know from other posts of yours that you will spend money on a knife if you like it. I can't imagine anyone being disappointed with any of the annual Case/Bose Collaboration knives as it relates to value. You may not like the pattern, but the F&F for the money can't be beat.


And what Blues said while I was looking up those part numbers.
 
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