Similar quality to CV swayback?

Another one like Stu was talking about, and a favorite of mine, is the TB62110 3-1/2" saddlehorn. It comes in a variety of handle materials, and I believe both SS and CV as well.
 
So whats the difference between this Tribal Spear and the Swayback CV? It is a Bose/Case collaboration just like the Swayback, right? Will the Tribal Spear come down in price when it is no longer new?

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-Freq
 
Higher end steel. Stainless.
Stainless liners and springs.
Better fit and finish.
Relieved liners.
Close to custom quality.

Will it go down in price. Not if it follows the going up in price on the secondary market like the other 11 or so have.
I already explained the difference between the annual collaboration knife and the Tony Bose designed regular production knives. The Tribal Spear is an annual collaboration knife for 2010. They have been making the swaybacks for a few years now. Next year another pattern will be chosen for the collaboration knife and they will still be producing the swaybacks.

I am not sure if I can explain it any further.
 
Bastid said:
Higher end steel. Stainless.
Stainless liners and springs.
Better fit and finish.
Relieved liners.
Close to custom quality.

Will it go down in price. Not if it follows the going up in price on the secondary market like the other 11 or so have.
I already explained the difference between the annual collaboration knife and the Tony Bose designed regular production knives. The Tribal Spear is an annual collaboration knife for 2010. They have been making the swaybacks for a few years now. Next year another pattern will be chosen for the collaboration knife and they will still be producing the swaybacks.

I am not sure if I can explain it any further.
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Well that and the fact that the "Tribal Spear" is 4 1/8" closed.

Freq, you really need to take a little time out and do some research both here on the forums and on the net. Lots of answers can be provided by using "Search" (here) and "Google" online.
 
Bastid,

Nah you explained it great. Sorry, I guess I have a thick skull. Didn't realize the tribal spear was one of the annual knives.


I think the question I should have asked was, did the Swayback start out as a Bose/Case annual, and then turn into a production knife? But you already answered that one too.

I guess I can see why the swayback is so special, its like an annual knife, but its just regular production. It's a pity that there are not any other Bose designed regular production knives that case makes.

I'm totally drooling over the Tribal Spear (even though the name seems kinda funny?) going to have to pick one up.


Thanks,


-Freq



Bastid said:
Higher end steel. Stainless.
Stainless liners and springs.
Better fit and finish.
Relieved liners.
Close to custom quality.

Will it go down in price. Not if it follows the going up in price on the secondary market like the other 11 or so have.
I already explained the difference between the annual collaboration knife and the Tony Bose designed regular production knives. The Tribal Spear is an annual collaboration knife for 2010. They have been making the swaybacks for a few years now. Next year another pattern will be chosen for the collaboration knife and they will still be producing the swaybacks.

I am not sure if I can explain it any further.
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Blues said:
Well that and the fact that the "Tribal Spear" is 4 1/8" closed.

Freq, you really need to take a little time out and do some research both here on the forums and on the net. Lots of answers can be provided by using "Search" (here) and "Google" online.
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Believe it or not, I've been doing a lot of research, but didn't know the answer which is why I asked. I have a debilitating sleep disorder though that effects my memory, so I might have read the answer and not retained it. Apologies for any redundant questions, not purposefully trying to wear out my welcome. I'm just really excited about the quality I've found in this swayback, and would love to own some others that feel similar. Then again, as I have mentioned before...this little knife is so nice I can't see myself carrying any of my others. Might as well sell them off since I won't be using them unless I change my mind.

-Freq
 
These side-by-side pics might help to illustrate some of the differences between the regular production Swayback and the 2009 Case/Bose annual collaboration knife:

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Note the thick, mill-relieved stainless liners, satin finished stainless bolsters and pinned stainless shield, which are all typical of the collaboration series.

Among other things, the Swayback blades have a tumbled finish, which softens their profiles and swedges, whereas the collaboration grinds are crisp and clearly defined, and the fine satin finish is exceptional. The Norfolk blades are ground very thin from much thicker stock; the tips can easily be flexed with your fingers, which makes the blades feel lively and resilient in use.

While the Swayback is a better-than-average Case production knife, the Norfolk is a far more refined and robust "midtech" offering that'll give many entry-level custom slipjoints some real competition.
 
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Try a CASE Chestnut Bone Medium Stockman in cv while you are waiting for that Tribal Spear. It's bigger than the Swayback, not as well executed but still a very worthwhile knife that looks a treat too! Get one on-line and it won't cost you too much at all.
 
freq18hz said:
Believe it or not, I've been doing a lot of research, but didn't know the answer which is why I asked. I have a debilitating sleep disorder though that effects my memory, so I might have read the answer and not retained it. Apologies for any redundant questions, not purposefully trying to wear out my welcome. -Freq
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Actually, I had noticed a bit earlier this evening the same questions asked and answered in another thread regarding the very same knives.

Thanks for explaining your situation. Certainly everyone sympathizes and hopes to help you with your knife affliction.

That said, what I think you may need to do is copy and paste into a (saved) folder the replies you receive to your questions and sort them (appropriately) by knife or category. This way you'll have something to refer to which is easily accessible and it will be both a help to you as well as to us.

You can also look up your posts here on the forum and see the replies you've received to your questions. This will also prevent redundancy from thread to thread.

If Gus and I can help you further, contact us privately via email or PM.
 
Rick, thanks for posting the side-by-side pictures, it does a better job than any explanation could of showing the difference in quality between the regular production knives and the Bose collaborations.
 
A member wrote informing me that the bone Cotton Sampler and bone swing guard are just a tad more than what I had paid originally, but not by much.
 
Thanks a ton, I appreciate the kindness.

I really don't mean to be redundant at all. Some days when I sleep really bad, I just don't retain stuff at all. Can't remember what I read or where. Getting old sucks. Thanks for the spot, I'll go back and search the threads I've posted in for answers.

It is curious to see that the higher end customs are using stainless, such as the 154cm on that Norfolk. I would think that a high carbon steel would be more desirable to people that enjoy slipjoints due to the patina? Either way it's a gorgeous knife!


-Freq


Blues said:
Actually, I had noticed a bit earlier this evening the same questions asked and answered in another thread regarding the very same knives.

Thanks for explaining your situation. Certainly everyone sympathizes and hopes to help you with your knife affliction.

That said, what I think you may need to do is copy and paste into a (saved) folder the replies you receive to your questions and sort them (appropriately) by knife or category. This way you'll have something to refer to which is easily accessible and it will be both a help to you as well as to us.

You can also look up your posts here on the forum and see the replies you've received to your questions. This will also prevent redundancy from thread to thread.

If Gus and I can help you further, contact us privately via email or PM.
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wagglebee said:
Rick, thanks for posting the side-by-side pictures, it does a better job than any explanation could of showing the difference in quality between the regular production knives and the Bose collaborations.
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+1. Those Bose collabs are amazing, the grinds are absolutely killer. I'm so glad that my desire for them isn't THAT bad, or I'd be out of cash really quick.
 
Glad the pics helped to clarify some of the differences.

freq18hz said:
It is curious to see that the higher end customs are using stainless, such as the 154cm on that Norfolk. I would think that a high carbon steel would be more desirable to people that enjoy slipjoints due to the patina? Either way it's a gorgeous knife!
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I can't speak for anyone else, but I generally prefer stainless on custom slipjoints because I try to preserve their typically more refined and costly hand-finishes as long as possible, and carbon steel blades are far more vulnerable to patina (at best), staining or even rust if they're neglected or accidentally exposed to condensation due to rapid temperature change, etc. On the other hand, mass produced slipjoints are usually tumbled or machine polished, so preserving a typical factory finish isn't a priority for me. In that case, an occasional stain is no great hardship and a nice patina is a welcome addition, both functionally and aesthetically.
 
Rick said:
I can't speak for anyone else, but I generally prefer stainless on custom slipjoints because I try to preserve their typically more refined and costly hand-finishes as long as possible, and carbon steel blades are far more vulnerable to patina (at best), staining or even rust if they're neglected or accidentally exposed to condensation due to rapid temperature change, etc. On the other hand, mass produced slipjoints are usually tumbled or machine polished, so preserving a typical factory finish isn't a priority for me. In that case, an occasional stain is no great hardship and a nice patina is a welcome addition, both functionally and aesthetically.
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Rick, I think you expressed very well the opinion of many collectors and users of fine knives. Well said. :cool::thumbup:
 
Definitely makes sense. I'm sure the blades on that Norfolk are just gorgeous in person.

-Freq
 
Thanks, Elliott. I've had my finger planted firmly on the pulse of collectors and users of fine knives for quite a while now, which may account for the fact that it smells kinda funny. :D
 
Rick said:
Thanks, Elliott. I've had my finger planted firmly on the pulse of collectors and users of fine knives for quite a while now, which may account for the fact that it smells kinda funny. :D
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If it imparts a funny taste as well it's probably because there's a high carbon content! ;):p
 
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