Skatchet

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I know this is gimmickie, but ever since I saw one in a catalog in the 80's I wanted one. I actually have a few ideas on how to make it better (I believe). If anyone is interested in trying to make one, please send me a PM. Here is a pic and part of a post from another forum on the Skatchet, so don't get too excited about it's performance because it ain't all that...

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""Some of you may have heard the term 'skachet' bantered about. At least one self-proclaimed 'survival' expert swears by these tools.

This was a wilderness tool sold by Charter Arms during the early and mid 1980's (they also made and sold the AR-7 'survival' rifles in the 1980's). It was made in Japan by Follins Corp (US patent #3187354).

The skachet is yet another tool designed to minimize weight and to do multiple tasks. The production of the original skachet ceased in the 1980's when the survivalist market took a major dip during the Reagan era prosperity and the end of the Cold War.

The skachet is generally considered yet another 'do it all' gimmick gadget spawned by the upswing in the Cold War, post-Vietnam era survivalist market of the mid 1970's to the mid 1980's.

A quantity of Taiwanese skachet clones have also been brought into the country under the Safesport brand. However, I doubt that the steel and temper is as good as the original Charter Arms skachet, which was actually not bad.

The word 'skachet', by the way, is a combination of the words 'skinner' and 'hatchet'.

Like most tools designed to do many things, the skachet can do OK at it's many jobs it's supposed to do, but isn't stellar at any given single task. It was designed to act as both your skinning knife and your hatchet, but it's smoked in both categories when it goes against a real skinning knife and a real hatchet.

It's weakest point is the handle. It is a round hole that is threaded, like some kitchen broom and sponge mop handles or an extended paint roller handle. It's designed so that you can used a trimmed or broken tree branch as an improvised handle. This is a weak handle attachment style, even with a proper, kiln dried hardwood handle. A scavenged tree branch, green or dried, is usually a very piss poor handle under any circumstance. If/when the handle breaks, getting the broken off wood out of that hole can be a real bitch.

The skachet is no substitute for a dedicated, full time hatchet or a skinning knife, but it's actually not that bad of a tool for a stowed emergency survival kit, like in a small aircraft, or as a backpacker's tool, often carried but used mainly when the hiker gets into a temporary situation that needs more than a Swiss Army knife. For long term living off the land, you had best carry a real hunting knife and a real hatchet.

The tool performs best when used as an ulu (native Inuit style knife common in Alaska) and a hide scraper. In this role, it isn't bad and might be worth carrying as an extra tool for just that. It's ulu/scraper shape and built in gut hook would come in handy for some tasks and it's hatchet ability to be used as auxiliary, backup feature to a real hatchet. ""
 
Quiet Bear,

I think your assessment of the Skatchet is correct... Interesting design but it has a couple of failings... The steel is really hard to sharpen (files don't bite the edge, you really need a sander), and the handle configuration is a problem. I think the ATAX is a better tool. I like 1095, and the ATAX handle attachment options are much stronger... The edge geometry of the Skatchet is better than the ATAX, and it is lighter.. The ATAX winds up on my belt a a lot, the Skatchet is a more of a novelty to me in its current form... but I would join you in a purchase of a modified Skatchet design with different steel...

Pics for comparison:

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How do you like a ATAX? I know the design has drawn a lot of fire, but I haven't heard any real in-depth discussion on it. Seems like the modern version of the Skatchet for sure. :)
 
I think back in the day if you purchased an AR-7 you got a skachet with it free. Now the skachet brings more on Epay than the AR-7 cosst back then sometimes.:rolleyes:

Pat
 
i have had an atax for a couple of years, it is a beast of a tool, one of the guys on hoodlums made a bow just using the atax pretty cool. it is meant as a way to carry a chopper compactly on your belt, works well on horseback, atv, plane, truck, with the handle it does a good job at chopping the handle can be made as long as you like. it is meant to be accompaqnied by a smaller blade, a SAK or small fixed blade, multitool would be a very good combo.

if you have need of somethign compact and always with you that has the potential of doing some decent chopping this might be for you. there are a bunch of other features, it comes with a video to explain some of the uses and thouht that went into it.

your milage may differ,
alex
 
How do you like a ATAX? I know the design has drawn a lot of fire, but I haven't heard any real in-depth discussion on it. Seems like the modern version of the Skatchet for sure. :)

I think the ATAX draws fire from people who have never worn one or really didn't understand what Ron Hood was trying to accomplish. The ATAX is meant to be worn as a back-up tool if you got separated from gear. Originally designed for people who are on horseback or snowmobiles to wear comfortably. It is solid chunk of steel that is very comfy on the belt.. Joezilla did a great write up on them in Tactical Knives mag a issues ago.... If you like Ulus, you'll love it...


Quiet Bear - apologies if I'm hijacking....
 
I had one years ago, I was not impressed with it and sold it at a Garage sale. In a picnh it would be better that nothing, it was decent for field dressing if you could get it sharp enough.
 
Quiet Bear - apologies if I'm hijacking....

None necessary. Good info, keep it coming. Maybe we can come up with something as a group. If I can get my scanner working again I will draw up my thoughts which I am sure will be improved upon.
 
I remember those!

They always looked cool but the edge looked kinda thick.

I didn't realize they had a threaded eye. I always figured you put a handle down thru the top like a hawk or something.
 
Quiet Bear,

Have you seen the DVD that comes with the ATAX? I think that Hood's approach to attaching the handle (with some modification) is better than the threading or poking wood through the handle. The ATAX has you split the end of a piece of wood and than attach with cordage or zip ties. I would like the handle to be further away from the cutting edge than the ATAX allows for...

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HD,

I don't mind the geometry of the Skatchet, the steel is really strange though... I'd be curious as to what it is....
 
Can you baton with the ATAX without a handle attached? With handle? If so that makes it more appealing imo. If not...

when WE come up with a new design I see that as a desirable feature ~ let it be a small wedge when needed quickly to split wood without having to do anything but picking up a stick.
 
Can you baton with the ATAX without a handle attached? With handle? If so that makes it more appealing imo. If not...

when WE come up with a new design I see that as a desirable feature ~ let it be a small wedge when needed quickly to split wood without having to do anything but picking up a stick.

I have not tried to baton with the ATAX, I think you would want more of a horizontal grip for stability. I have also not found a need to to baton, the ATAX works pretty well as a hatchet:

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I really like idea of a modded version of these tools!
 
Strange......the first picture is my picture of my Skachet.

LOL


I guess once you publish a picture on the web it is public domain.

;)

here is the sister pic

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There was a time before the web when I spent nearly every weekend in the woods back packing, fishing or hunting. My tools where that Skachet, a USAF pilot's survival knife, folding camp saw and a folding Buck knife.

Of course that was back before I knew they were not made of special unobtainium steel or designed by a special forces guru. I used them and they worked. As for the Skachet it did its job and more. You are right it was made of hard steel. I carried a Schrade diamond pocket hone to keep an edge on it. Over the years I did everything from split deer pelvis' to split kindling.

Skachets work great as a hand axe or ulu or scraper. Mounted on a wooden handle it serves well as a light hatchet or perhaps more like a utility tomahawk. I like the fact you have a hammer end. It served me well to drive many a tent stake.

All in all I consider most criticism of this fine old tool as arm chair quarterbacking from folks who never used one.

The same Skachet as shown in those pics still resides in my bug out bag along with a stout fixed blade knife and a folding saw.

HUMMMM.......I guess I have not come that far since 1975 as I thought.

:p
 
ROS,

I think that the question that QB is asking is "How do we improve on this interesting, but flawed design?" . Your sister pic kinda illustrates the problem with the Skatchet :the handle attachment. I think you are right about the inclusion of the hammer head, that would aid in the value of the final design. I would like to see a compromise between the ATAX and the Skatchet.. If we can accomplish that in a decent quality steel, we can move past the concept of a harden-to sharpen novelty....
 
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i think that it might make more sense to carry a CS trail hawk head. it would probably do all of the same stuff and might even be better at some things. but i have never used the skatchet, so i cannot say for sure.
 
I tried packing a CS tomahawk for a while. If you don't have a ready made handle you are screwed. Making a correct tapered handle from green wood takes a long time. Plus you end up with a slick piece of tapered green wood. I have made tomahawk handles in the woods but it takes a lot of time.

NOTE; The handle in the pic is crap. It was made of dried wood off of the wood pile for a quick picture and would have broken easily in real use.

With the Skachet, using the tool as a hand axe you cut down a green sapling or take a suitable branch, green wood is better. Wood selection is critical . When I first got it I tried dead limbs ect. Not only frustrating but dangerous. Woods like second growth hickory, dogwood, and ash work great. Select one that is close to the size of the eye but a little larger. Most natural wood tapers and this is an advantage as it helps the handle to tighten up. Once you get the stick trimmed to near the length you want taper the end like a big pencil but don't get to carried away. Don't remove anymore stock than is needed to insert the wood into the eye. Start screwing the tool head onto the wood. As it tightens select a flat surface like a log or stump and brace the tool head (with the sheath on) turning the handle/stick with both hands. As you start to really get tight you will appreciate the natural bark surface and natural wood variations to provide grip.
When you get the handle as tight as humanly possible mark your new handle so you can see where to trim off the excess length on the eye end. I usually unscrew the new handle, trim off the excess on the eye end and smooth the gripping end some rounding the butt. Leaving the bark helps to provide a non slip surface. This entire process takes only a short time and as you gain in experience you learn to look for wood that is the correct size and type. Anyone that thinks that a handle sized piece of second growth hickory or dogwood is prone to breakage needs to go out and cut themselves a handle sized piece and try to break it. Lock it in a vice or brace it in a crack and try. Good luck.

As you chop and hammer every once in a while brace the tool head and give the handle a slight turn to keep it tight as possible. This is especially true if you keep you green wood handle for a while. As it loses moisture it will shrink and losen some. The Skachet's unique design allows you to tighten it up as you go. I used to wrap the eye end with a leather thong but I later found it was not needed.

Of course I can rail on about this tool forever but until you work with one you will never know. It is not a perfect design. The market decided a long time ago that the Skachet would fade into obscurity. However, I for one, am glad I have mine.
 
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ROS,

I think that the question that QB is asking is "How do we improve on this interesting, but flawed design?" . Your sister pic kinda illustrates the problem with the Skatchet :the handle attachment. I think you are right about the inclusion of the hammer head, that would aid in the value of the final design. I would like to see a compromise between the ATAX and the Skatchet.. If we can accomplish that in a decent quality steel, we can move past the concept of a harden-to sharpen novelty....

^^ Yes sir! ^^

Good info ROS. I have several forged tomahawks and the tapered handle is a pain to replace (period).
 
Scanner not working so I drew it on my daughter's white board and took a pic (I am going to be in big trouble when she sees I erased HER drawing!)

I can't draw very well, but hopefully you get the idea or become inspired to come up with improvements. I think something like this in O-1 would be useful. For me the priorities are hatchet first as well as a decent wedge without a handle second. I would also find a trenching tool useful for around tarp drip lines and scratching out a fire location. Let me know your thoughts, I call it the "Abo4ster."

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