Skookum Bush Tool Wait List

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I don't think so. Some knives have value because they have genuinely better materials or design. Some have value because they are one of a kind pieces of art. Some have value because their maker is the best at what he does. Some have value because they are old and no longer produced and there is a real scarcity. In this case it appears that's we simply have inefficient production methods, creating an unremarkable knife and making it more valuable. This certainly is not unprecedented, but I do not think you can say "it's the same as everything else."

These knives are not even that expensive new, the maker isn't determining the secondary market price the buyers are. As far as art knives that is totally subjective; my knife preferences match my preferences for B grade movies and bootleg audio recordings - they have no market value outside of a wants of a few esoteric irrational fanatics.

Why should an old knife that is made from inferior materials be worth a lot of money because it's scarce...it's because of what it represents and absolutely no other reason. FFS a $100 Bill is not worth the paper it's printed on outside of what it represents, you can't eat it if your hungry.

It's all irrational, every bit of it.

I detect some jealousy in this thread.

I'm out.
 
These knives are not even that expensive new, the maker isn't determining the secondary market price the buyers are. As far as art knives that is totally subjective; my knife preferences match my preferences for B grade movies and bootleg audio recordings - they have no market value outside of a wants of a few esoteric irrational fanatics.

Why should an old knife that is made from inferior materials be worth a lot of money because it's scarce...it's because of what it represents and absolutely no other reason. FFS a $100 Bill is not worth the paper it's printed on outside of what it represents, you can't eat it if your hungry.

It's all irrational, every bit of it.

I detect some jealousy in this thread.

I'm out.


Jealousy of... ? You seem oddly defensive and I am not sure why. All I am saying is that prices are dictated by supply and demand. In all the cases I cited demand far outstrips supply including this one. I think that it's interesting in this case due to the particulars already noted. The maker is not famous. The materials are average. There is no art nor any particular performance advantage. They are not old. The maker does not even charge a premium price for them. Yet we assign a large value to them because they are hard to get, thereby making them more valuable and therefore harder to get.
 
Buzz and fanboys drive demand for collectables. A lot are never used and collected solely for the purpose of collecting. As such the real value (usefulness) as a knife isn't known and doesn't play into the equation. How many used Randalls do you actually see for sale? There's nothing finer to my eye than a nice pistol or knife that shows real actual use.

Most people want things others want. Some want things to use. If you want a knife to use there's many similar and better options at reasonable prices. It's easier to sell things that are new and never used.
 
Long time peruser but rare poster lol

I'll stick up for Rod too. I ordered mine Nov 2014 and received it Dec 2019 (in fact I received Rod's e-mail Dec 5th 2019....the day Mors passed...RIP.). A lot changes over 5 years for everyone. I think the price may have gone up over that time.....I don't know nor do I care, to me it was nominal.

I'm taking some liberties here but I do believe bushcraft is/was a hobby for Rod. I do know he has taken several classes with Mors Kohanski and designed/made the Skookum based off his interpretation of what a knife for that application should be. Mors' admiration and use of the Skookum grew the legend. Much like Alan Wood making the Woodlore knife for Ray Mears. Both can fetch a price well beyond the rational cost of the materials and time....some would even argue the design and finishing. But the makers just made a knife, we set the price. These knives get the glory for what they represent. Much like a Rolex Submariner is the benchmark all dive watches are compared to. Are there better watches for less? You could argue either way. They did something nobody else did and thus get the notoriety. Rod certainly is not selling them for what the secondary market is. I've pursued many and years ago watched them sail over the 1k mark!

Regardless, this is a hobby/interest turned business by demand. A passion or pleasure is risk to become chore when the love is gone. I'm sure if he invested more of his time into it, things would be better for us, but not him. What if he wants time with his family, time to camp, travel, go to his day job? What if he just doesn't want to be in his shop that day? Sure he could focus on production and churned them out, but that's his choice not to.
I doubt many of us receive the abundance of e-mails he does requesting production services for your hobby??? He's pretty up front with the process and if he's not responding to e-mails I think we can all take the hint..... We're talking a hand made one at a time knife with thousands asking for theirs.

We also have different expectations and patients levels. As a husband, father, and a public servant perhaps I'm more understanding. In 5 years I had 4 correspondence with him. His last e-mail to me provided this

"I apologize for not keeping up with your emails, I’ve been swamped with customer emails and just haven’t kept up but am working on it. I have a note on the bench to start your order (O1 knife with black scales, two lanyard holes and shearing hole) after I finish this last batch, probably the end of next week. I’ll keep you posted.

Again, sorry for the terrible response and thanks for your patience,

Talk to you soon,

Rod"

I don't believe he's any of the negative things people have implied in this thread. And I don't believe knocking his design and craftmenship is appropriate either. Like it or not he has made an impact on the knife community, and an even bigger one in the bushcraft world. We're all hear talking about his knife! The same knife design that is copied and made tweaks to by countless knife-makers and will continue as long as bushcraft knives are made. I thought the wait was worth it. But to be the knife is more than just the sum of it's parts.
If anyone cares the 5 years I waited I used an A.S. Harding 4mm Skookum. Anthony (Tony) is a stand up guy, responded to all my e-mails within a few days and make phenomenal knives on equipment purchased from Alan Wood himself! I honestly don't know if I'll be able to transition to the OG Skookum. But I didn't buy it to be a safe queen and unless I get hard up I'm not selling!

Anyways, take it easy on the guy and try to be cool to each other. You haven't met him, you don't know his circumstance. If you want a real Skookum Bushtool from Rod himself there's no secret to getting one. You order and you wait. In the meantime grab a A.S. Harding or a buck 119 or one of the million other serviceable knives

Thank you for posting. I believe you, as I have no cause to presume you are lying. Therefore, what this means is that if your dates are correct, you placed an order AFTER me, and got your order, almost a year before Rod contacted me.

This is the possible outcome that folks that place an order with Rod Garcia are in for. Your wait time will be vastly greater, and there are multiple people who will jump you in line.

Yeah, Rod sounds like an awesome maker to do business with. Glad I passed on it.
 
Buzz and fanboys drive demand for collectables. A lot are never used and collected solely for the purpose of collecting. As such the real value (usefulness) as a knife isn't known and doesn't play into the equation. How many used Randalls do you actually see for sale? There's nothing finer to my eye than a nice pistol or knife that shows real actual use.

Most people want things others want. Some want things to use. If you want a knife to use there's many similar and better options at reasonable prices. It's easier to sell things that are new and never used.

Good points. On Bernard Levines sub forum he was wont to note that truly rare things were not valuable or collectible because there is no demand I.e. there are not enough of them for people to actually compete for them and drive the price up.
 
I've read most of this thread.
Seems the price for what you get is quite high. Especially when these knives are very representative of most Helle knives or many of the Swedish and Finnish puukkos.
The 5 year wait thing takes me out the game no matter what the cost is.
Looks like you could get a nice Mora or two (10 or 20 actually) that would perform as well as this blade. Just my $0.02. YMMV.
 
I've read most of this thread.
Seems the price for what you get is quite high. Especially when these knives are very representative of most Helle knives or many of the Swedish and Finnish puukkos.
The 5 year wait thing takes me out the game no matter what the cost is.
Looks like you could get a nice Mora or two (10 or 20 actually) that would perform as well as this blade. Just my $0.02. YMMV.

While I like both Helle and Mora knives, and they may be all you need, the Skookum is a much more robust, full tang custom knife. It is more equivalent (IMO) to something like a Fiddleback Forge (though they don't have the pommel) and price about the same. There was a company that made a production knife (American Knife co.)very similar for about 1/2 the price
There are plenty of high quality knives available much quicker and at equal or less price that can serve our needs. The Skookum's big claim to fame is the association with Mors Kochanski's . Buy the knife and we will all have bushcraft skills like Mors
 
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Long time peruser but rare poster lol

I'll stick up for Rod too. I ordered mine Nov 2014 and received it Dec 2019 (in fact I received Rod's e-mail Dec 5th 2019....the day Mors passed...RIP.). A lot changes over 5 years for everyone. I think the price may have gone up over that time.....I don't know nor do I care, to me it was nominal.

I'm taking some liberties here but I do believe bushcraft is/was a hobby for Rod. I do know he has taken several classes with Mors Kohanski and designed/made the Skookum based off his interpretation of what a knife for that application should be. Mors' admiration and use of the Skookum grew the legend. Much like Alan Wood making the Woodlore knife for Ray Mears. Both can fetch a price well beyond the rational cost of the materials and time....some would even argue the design and finishing. But the makers just made a knife, we set the price. These knives get the glory for what they represent. Much like a Rolex Submariner is the benchmark all dive watches are compared to. Are there better watches for less? You could argue either way. They did something nobody else did and thus get the notoriety. Rod certainly is not selling them for what the secondary market is. I've pursued many and years ago watched them sail over the 1k mark!

Regardless, this is a hobby/interest turned business by demand. A passion or pleasure is risk to become chore when the love is gone. I'm sure if he invested more of his time into it, things would be better for us, but not him. What if he wants time with his family, time to camp, travel, go to his day job? What if he just doesn't want to be in his shop that day? Sure he could focus on production and churned them out, but that's his choice not to.
I doubt many of us receive the abundance of e-mails he does requesting production services for your hobby??? He's pretty up front with the process and if he's not responding to e-mails I think we can all take the hint..... We're talking a hand made one at a time knife with thousands asking for theirs.

We also have different expectations and patients levels. As a husband, father, and a public servant perhaps I'm more understanding. In 5 years I had 4 correspondence with him. His last e-mail to me provided this

"I apologize for not keeping up with your emails, I’ve been swamped with customer emails and just haven’t kept up but am working on it. I have a note on the bench to start your order (O1 knife with black scales, two lanyard holes and shearing hole) after I finish this last batch, probably the end of next week. I’ll keep you posted.

Again, sorry for the terrible response and thanks for your patience,

Talk to you soon,

Rod"

I don't believe he's any of the negative things people have implied in this thread. And I don't believe knocking his design and craftmenship is appropriate either. Like it or not he has made an impact on the knife community, and an even bigger one in the bushcraft world. We're all hear talking about his knife! The same knife design that is copied and made tweaks to by countless knife-makers and will continue as long as bushcraft knives are made. I thought the wait was worth it. But to be the knife is more than just the sum of it's parts.
If anyone cares the 5 years I waited I used an A.S. Harding 4mm Skookum. Anthony (Tony) is a stand up guy, responded to all my e-mails within a few days and make phenomenal knives on equipment purchased from Alan Wood himself! I honestly don't know if I'll be able to transition to the OG Skookum. But I didn't buy it to be a safe queen and unless I get hard up I'm not selling!

Anyways, take it easy on the guy and try to be cool to each other. You haven't met him, you don't know his circumstance. If you want a real Skookum Bushtool from Rod himself there's no secret to getting one. You order and you wait. In the meantime grab a A.S. Harding or a buck 119 or one of the million other serviceable knives

I second looking at Tony Harding in the UK......
I just received these two today, Ordered May 4, 2020, received June 16, 2020
Tony will even make you the back sewn leather neck sheath (I have one of his with that skookum style sheath)...

Skookum style
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Hybrid Woodlore
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Rod's Skookum
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So I've been on the wait list for the Skookum Bush Tool knife since May 19, 2015. Is there anyone who was put on the wait list after May 19, 2015 who has received their knife? Been emailing Rod but have not heard back from him. I'm curious to know how long the wait is.
I placed my order in April 2014 and just got an email from Rod that the knife is now ready. Six and one-half years wait. I was just thinking about getting an LT Wright Lagom when I got the email. Timing is everything.
 
Rod messaged me yesterday, mine is ready after 8 years. I paid him but I am not collecting knives anymore,
 
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