Sledgeh@mmer - very bad experience

sh00ter01 · Apr 2, 2014

sh00ter01 said:
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Another Google+ I found
https://plus.google.com/115330259710466780138/about
Name: Peter Valerio
Claims to have attended University of Houston 2009
Claims to be Army Special forces
Location: Woodlands, TX

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This guy is an idiot (like we didn't already know), thought he could screw people and stay anonymous. He's changed the info in this Google plus profile. Now it says Austin, Texas. Guess he moved in the pass week

Too bad we already have the information (and then some not even posted here).

Hey Pete, I know you're checking in and reading this thread, you can't hide, just give back what you took and the heat will die down some. Quit being a useless sack of shit and own up to your mistakes for once and make this right, LIKE ANY REAL MAN WOULD. Is this really worth the few knives you got and a couple hundred bucks?

I hold out little hope for the above. He's no man, just a boy playing a dangerous game... that's catching up with him real quick.

markksr · Apr 12, 2014

Metal Made Fox · Apr 14, 2014

What happened to that JCP1969 guy who thought he was a moderator? He just vanished all of the sudden, strange because he was on the forums 24/7 and posting like a non stop typewriter for a while. Weird.

Last login: 03-27-2014 08:24 PM

SidTheMuss · Apr 24, 2014

tinkerer said:
So, he's licensed to carry, Seems the state regulates this, and if he's accused of a felony, his license can get anything from suspended to jerked. He's instantly out of work.

Just an idea, if someone wants to contact HPD and file charges.

Larry
Tinkerer

What felony has he committed? So far all i've read is he accepted a gift of cash from the op. I'm not saying he's not a douchebag, but keep in mind, unless i missed something, no laws have been broken. For the op and others reading, this should be a good learning experience on why not to send PayPal gift when purchasing goods. Harassing this guy isn't going to change anything. I'm sure he will continue to scam others however he can. Educating potential purchasers will do something though...it will help put these scammers out of business. this is gonna sound harsh but the ones you all should be scolding are the op and others who aren't smart enough to realize what a bad idea using 'gift option' is...without them there would be no one for scammers to scam. Peace

Thomas Linton · Apr 24, 2014

SidTheMuss said:
What felony has he committed? So far all i've read is he accepted a gift of cash from the op. I'm not saying he's not a douchebag, but keep in mind, unless i missed something, no laws have been broken. For the op and others reading, this should be a good learning experience on why not to send PayPal gift when purchasing goods. Harassing this guy isn't going to change anything. I'm sure he will continue to scam others however he can. Educating potential purchasers will do something though...it will help put these scammers out of business. this is gonna sound harsh but the ones you all should be scolding are the op and others who aren't smart enough to realize what a bad idea using 'gift option' is...without them there would be no one for scammers to scam. Peace

If the said DB used the U.S. Mails with the intent to defraud the OP -- used the U.S. Mails to scam, as you put it, then he committed a federal felony. That needs to be proven. If it is, feds have no parole. You serve every day.

SidTheMuss · Apr 24, 2014

Yes but unfortunately he lost any rights to mail fraud by making a "gift" to the seller. It sucks but it is that simple.

Thomas Linton · Apr 24, 2014

SidTheMuss said:
Yes but unfortunately he lost any rights to mail fraud by making a "gift" to the seller. It sucks but it is that simple.

That is an issue of fact. Calling it a "gift" is some evidence but not the only evidence. Anyone here think it was intended to be a gift?

Metal Made Fox · Apr 24, 2014

SidTheMuss said:
What felony has he committed?

Mail Fraud is a federal offense.

SidTheMuss said:
Yes but unfortunately he lost any rights to mail fraud by making a "gift" to the seller. It sucks but it is that simple.

You're wrong. It's all in the OP's emails. If the scammer agreed with the OP that he would send him a product in exchange for money he is in the wrong, doesn't matter if the OP used paypal gift or not.

SidTheMuss · Apr 24, 2014

well i think the point you are missing is you actually have to use the mail in order to have any type of mail fraud. it could be a civil case with the right email documentation but has nothing to do with the post office.

Karda · Apr 24, 2014

SidTheLawyer said:
well i think the point you are missing is you actually have to use the mail in order to have any type of mail fraud. it could be a civil case with the right email documentation but has nothing to do with the post office.

Actually all that is needed is the agreement that the mail be used for the transaction. Otherwise sellers whom are paid and ship nothing would get a free pass. They don't.

Thomas Linton · Apr 24, 2014

Karda is 100% on target,

Order by mail
Payment by mail
Shipment to be by mail
= using the mails

Use with intent to defraud = welcome to "a federal offense"

SidTheMuss · Apr 25, 2014

Karda, Why do you have to be condescending and change my name to sidthelawyer? I see maturity isn't a qualification to be a mod.

markksr · Apr 25, 2014

SidTheMuss said:
Karda, Why do you have to be condescending and change my name to sidthelawyer? I see maturity isn't a qualification to be a mod.

And, lucky for you, factual inforation isn't required to comment.

Karda · Apr 25, 2014

Preferably, before speaking authoritively on a subject, a poster should at least attempt to research a subject before spouting misinformation and before accusing others of a certain behavior they possibly should look back on their own postings.

charlie_horse · Apr 28, 2014

Karda said:
Actually all that is needed is the agreement that the mail be used for the transaction. Otherwise sellers whom are paid and ship nothing would get a free pass. They don't.

Incorrect. Since OP sent money via gift option, it would not be considered a payment for purchase of goods or sevices. Unfortunately the OP has absolutely no legal recourse.

The PayPal User Agreement in Section 13. Protection for Buyers explains that the protection applies to purchases... a "gift" payment is not a purchase.

Internet lawyers are almost as bad as mall ninjas.

Sid is correct. Only thing OP could do is bring a civil case. The judge would probably just dismiss it though. The OP sent a gift by all legal definitions.

I'm not defending the thief here, but doesn't change the facts. If you want legal advice, then speak to a lawyer, not an internet bouncer.

Karda · Apr 28, 2014

charlie_horse said:
Incorrect. Since OP sent money via gift option, it would not be considered a payment for purchase of goods or sevices. Unfortunately the OP has absolutely no legal recourse.

The PayPal User Agreement in Section 13. Protection for Buyers explains that the protection applies to purchases... a "gift" payment is not a purchase.

Internet lawyers are almost as bad as mall ninjas.

Sid is correct. Only thing OP could do is bring a civil case. The judge would probably just dismiss it though. The OP sent a gift by all legal definitions.

I'm not defending the thief here, but doesn't change the facts. If you want legal advice, then speak to a lawyer, not an internet bouncer.

If nothing gets sent, then, true, you won't get paypal protection....but it may be investigated by the postal service inspectors for mail fraud if there is cause for "intent to defraud" as Mr. Linton stated. As I stated previously "before speaking authoritively on a subject, a poster should at least attempt to research a subject before spouting misinformation".

charlie_horse · Apr 28, 2014

Karda said:
If nothing gets sent, then, true, you won't get paypal protection....but it may be investigated by the postal service inspectors for mail fraud if there is cause for "intent to defraud" as Mr. Linton stated. As I stated previously "before speaking authoritively on a subject, a poster should at least attempt to research a subject before spouting misinformation".

You are speaking with someone who has a vast amount of knowledge and authority on the subject. It's about what's legally defined as a payment for goods and services. Sure, the OP could send the info to the postal inspectors and they could investigate, but there would be no legal grounds to bring a case.

What's fair and what's legal aren't always the same thing.

I would advise you to take some of your own advice.

Karda · Apr 28, 2014

charlie_horse said:
You are speaking with someone who has a vast amount of knowledge and authority on the subject. It's about what's legally defined as a payment for goods and services. Sure, the OP could send the info to the postal inspectors and they could investigate, but there would be no legal grounds to bring a case.

What's fair and what's legal aren't always the same thing.

I would advise you to take some of your own advice.

How about we let the postal inspectors decide what is legal and what is not and what they will investigate and prosecute or not.
You are well aware that any prosecution will depend on the actual specifics of any case.
Your trolling this thread serves no one. I suggest ambulances may be more suitable.