Small .22 pistol I'm thinking about

[hollowdweller]

I thought the original intent of the thread was talking about using a .22 to nab game on the trail.

I have to laugh it has turned into another "stopping power" thread:jerkit:

 

[nemoaz]

I also get distracted by shiny objects.

 

[ashtxsniper]

Shiny obejects where where I must find them all.

 

[David E]

Try firing it indoors without ear protection. It is quite loud compared to a .32 ACP.

I know it is loud. I know it is louder indoors than outdoors. I personally will not rely on a "loud noise" to end a confrontation.

A .22 magnum firing a +P TNT round at over 1000 fps will transfer 100% of its energy into the target upon penetration and subsequent fragmentation. It is likely to do more damage and result in more shock than a single round of 9mm FMJ (which would likely overpenetrate with minimal deformation).

Actually, according to the NAA site, the Mini-Master will launch that tiny 30 grain bullet at about 1400 fps average. That puts the foot pounds at about 130 presuming you shot him at the end of your muzzle. (if we use your 1000 fps, you'd only have about 66 ft lbs of energy)

The much trashed 9mm fmj at about 1150 fps puts out 367 ft lbs. The .22 magnum is only putting out 35% of that power.

But who purposely carries fmj? I'll go ahead and stick with your 9mm choice, but I'll substitute MY choice for ammo for that caliber: Corbon's 115 +P JHP @ 1350. This load cranks out 465 ft lbs. The feeble by comparison .22 mag is only 27% of that power.

I do not see how a tiny 30 grain bullet churning up a piddly 130 ft lbs will do more damage than either of the 9mm loads. Might the fmj fully perforate the target? Sure. He'll have two holes to bleed from. Might the tiny 30 grain be stopped by a belt buckle? Yup. 9mm wins this contest easily.

If you can stay calm enough to fire 5 rounds accurately, it should be enough to do the job in most realistic scenarios.

Define "accurately" for us, please. Also, please address the time element you ignored in your response. How FAST can you be accurate ? How FAST can you put 5 rds on target? How fast when those targets are moving?

The problem is, most people are incapable of such detachment. They have an immediate adrenal dump and start firing as soon as they clear leather -- and when they think their pistol jammed after the 2nd or 3rd shot they realize that the entire double-stack magazine is empty (and nearly every round missed its target).

Let me understand this......are you saying that someone (you, perhaps?) armed with a Mini-Master will NOT have an adrenalin dump, will be able to calmly crank off 5 fast, accurate rds and win the day while someone armed with a 9mm will fire wildly?

If the person is going to flip out, the gun they're holding will not matter. If they do NOT flip out, then the better gun (of these two) remains the 9mm. If you can outshoot someone using your Mini-Master against their 9mm, then you should REALLY trounce them using a 9mm yourself.

Keep in mind, I'm focusing on the defense application of the Mini-Master, not the "fun factor" of it, or the random chance to hit a cooperative near sighted squirrel to supplement the pot.

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[David E]

I thought the original intent of the thread was talking about using a .22 to nab game on the trail.

I have to laugh it has turned into another "stopping power" thread

Some people DO carry this gun for defense in the woods. Should another thread be started?

I suppose some people carry a gun strictly for gathering small game and would never consider using that same gun for defense applications.

It seemed clear that the original poster's questions were thoroughly answered here, so maybe we should start another thread.

 

[RescueRiley]

A .22 is a great game getter but you need at least a 4 inch barrel with 6 inches being even better....people have there own opinions on self defense but I've sen a couple of people that have been shot woth .22's yeah you don't get the same guarantees as you do with a larger firearmbut it'll definitely take the wind out of an attackers sail for sure... if you worried about someone hopped up on amphetamines maybe your hiking in the wrong woods....I've come across a teenagers puffing the magic dragon on the trail once or twice, but I've yet to encounter a crack head in a wooded area outside of central park.. ALthough my experience in areas other than the NE is limited... but I think a .22 is a great game getter and a fun plinker to have on the trail and in the bizzare situation that you need it and it's what you'll have it'll have to do adapting tools to meet different situations is a big part of what survival is all about....but that's just me I'm a hobby shooter and am no expert on guns....

 

[tyr_shadowblade]

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[David E]

The standard Maxi-Mag+V rounds have a wee li'l pinhole for a "hollowpoint" and do not expand out of handguns. The "TNT" +V has a wide deep cavity that opens up quite nicely. :thumbup:

You assign WAY too much power to a round that doesn't deserve it launched at your slow velocity.

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[David E]

It is true that most rational folks would not choose FMJ -- but that is what a lot of people have in their automatic pistols, regardless. Most gangbangers use military surplus ammunition -- it feeds reliably and it is cheap.

Who cares what gangbangers load their guns with? Why would anyone with an ounce of sense choose "cheapest" over "best" ?

Unlike a .32, or even a .38, the li'l hypervelocity .22 WMR is virtually guaranteed to pierce the cranial shell.{.quote]

NOT at your low velocity, presuming you can even HIT the cranial vault that might be bobbing and weaving.

Such belligerance. . .

It's belligerant of me to say that YOU are able to exceed your .22 Magnum Mini-Master performance by using a 9mm ? Hell, I thought I was giving you a compliment !!

The .22 magnum is certainly adequate for personal defense (at least according to Elmer Keith and Bill Jordan) . . .

That it MIGHT work is one thing. A knitting needle MIGHT work, too. That hardly makes it "adequate", much less a good choice. And I'm sure they were talking about the .22 magnum at rifle velocities, not @ 1000 fps, to use your number.

It's obvious that you have already convinced yourself that your TNT load will be all you need for defense. I hope it works for you.

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[tyr_shadowblade]

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[zman308]

I am partial to revolvers in 22 caliber. They are less sensitive to the ammo you use. You can also shoot shorts, longs and bird shot. They are more rugged, safer, easier to maintain and you don't need to carry magazines. One handed use is much easier than an auto. The only disadvantage is that they hold between 6 to 9 shots depending on the model. I have a S&W 17 and 18 6 shot and a High Standard 9 shot. I also have a Ruger MKII which I sometimes carry. All good guns.

 

[David E]

Uh . . . who else would be robbing you at gunpoint with a 9 millie? And "gangstas" ain't got no sense.

But why would that affect MY choice ?

I'd prefer they stupidly load fmj's in their gun !!

Even better, I'd prefer they tried to rob me using their Mini-Master !!

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[David E]

I am partial to revolvers in 22 caliber. They are less sensitive to the ammo you use. You can also shoot shorts, longs and bird shot. They are more rugged, safer, easier to maintain and you don't need to carry magazines. One handed use is much easier than an auto.....

There are many good points for a good .22 revolver, no question !

I'm curious, tho, how a revolver is easier to use one handed?

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[RescueRiley]

it seems like in threads like this it gets more into a mind changin edeavours than it is a thread....everybody use what you like and what works for you and be happy,,,

 

[David E]

I agree, everyone use what they want.....

But for those unsure what to use or buy, I suggest you carefully consider the function you want a gun/knife/gear to perform and do some serious research.

Just because someone may have used a Iver Johnson .32 Short to fend off a grizzly bear attack once, or that someone used one single edged razor blade to carve out a wilderness village hardly means it was the right/best tool for the job !!



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[kr1]

Just because someone may have used a Iver Johnson .32 Short to fend off a grizzly bear attack once,

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An Iver Johnson .32 short. ROLFLMAO Ha HA HAHAHAHAHA He used it like a hammer against the grizzly, right? More effective that way.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Funny stuff.

KR

 

[David E]

No, it's not heavy enough to work well as a hammer.......

I think he held it close to the bear's ear and fired it........y'know, that close to the ear and all.......it's really, really loud !!

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[bushman14]

You guys make me laugh

 

[F3Beam]

Sometimes, like a knife that should be felt and not seen, a little gun will work better that way. You can make the best of choices and still come out dead. Wisdom is your best defense. If attacked while walking in the woods, I'd gladly pump eight .25 rounds from my Iver Johnson into someone before grabbing my knife or anything else handy. Bob and weave all you want but the closer you get the easier the hit. I think my chance of survival is better with "Any gun." And the best gun to use will be the one in your hands, whatever it is. Use it wisely. So yes, I think any gun would be better than no gun. And even these little guns have a time and place where they will come in handy in the right hands. If it is small enough and like my knife, convenient enough to be handy if needed, it could be helpful. I don't have a gun, I am harmless...bang bang, sorry, I lied. And I don't think anyone here is considering it as a major weapon of war either.