Snark it like it owes ya money!!!

[Guyon]

Hey Biscuit, the HEFT4 hath arrived as well as the comic book.

Mine should be here today. Prepare for an onslaught of one-liners.

 

[DerekH]

Morning all. Trade, how was Tenn? Come away with anything memorable?

 

[Guyon]

Morning all. Trade, how was Tenn? Come away with anything memorable?

Damn, wish I'd known. We have strawberry fig preserves now too.

 

[Doc_Savage]

Hey Biscuit, the HEFT4 hath arrived as well as the comic book.

Is that thing a strap on too? Or just a hand held... With a name like HEFT, it ought to be a strap on..

"Excuse me while I whip this out".... Yeah, you can just see a glassy eyed Murph slurring that aloud.

Just sayin'

Doc

 

[worldwood]

so it looks like this guy made a direct copy of the kabar... and is making more.... and might sell them

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1106382-Ka-bar?p=12620580#post12620580

And check this out it is in the knifemakers exchange now...... what does this resemble?

 

[stvpourciau]

so it looks like this guy made a direct copy of the kabar... and is making more.... and might sell them

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1106382-Ka-bar?p=12620580#post12620580

I like it. Its pretty damn different from a kabar though, seems like he should edit his post to "Mk2 like knife".

I wouldn't feel too good about selling something quoted to be a copy of another. I can copy anything I want for myself, long as I don't sell. Even then, his is very different enough, more so than Chinese 440 USMCs you see around. Mtech type stuff.

I would've opted for a different steel, I doubt that he's got that good ole kabar heat treat.

 

[TMHunt]

I didnt see on his post that he was selling it. did I miss something?

 

[tradewater]

Derek, a good time was had by all.

 

[tradewater]

Damn, wish I'd known. We have strawberry fig preserves now too.

I'm starting to get very worried about my mother in law. She sounds pale over the phone.

 

[DerekH]

Lots of people make designs either based off of someone else's or similar. As has been said, there is nothing new in knives anymore (or barely ever, I think there are some things out there that are new) but ultimately it can't be helped. That second pic looks like a WSK, (or Tom Brown Tracker knife as some call it) and has been made by many different makers at many different times. For someone to make one and sell it is not really in bad taste if it is a popular enough design and no patent is held on it. The Woodlore style is made by many people, as are several others. Considering the backlog some of these makers have (makers known for specific designs which may or may not have been their own when they started) I think most consider it reasonable to buy elsewhere if someone else is making it and not stepping on any toes.

 

[worldwood]

I agree everything is copying something to an extent.....but when you call it a kabar... and make it look like a kabar... Thats a little different I think....

But i didnt comment on that thread, i came here to snark about it, I just think its bad taste if he sells them... If he just made/makes it/them for himself then good for him, and great job re-creating a classic.

The "wsk" one I guess i can understand if someone wanted a tom brown knife without the serrated top and contacted him to make it. But piggybacking off anothers idea in hopes it sells is in my opinion bad taste.

For me its a case by case basis... for instance...Now Im not wanting to start a war Todd..... but for instance the M-18. It has a kind of similar design to the tom brown, and if i remember correctly it was suppose to be "similar" when it was first designed for murph ( I may be remembering incorrectly so please correct me if im wrong), but At least the M-18 looks different, different size and all, and way more practical. He took an idea changed it for the better and made it his own, that to me is different. He didnt start out wanting to piggyback off another success, he was making something for a customer that got popular, and despite our differences his "wsk" turned out way better than the tom brown.

Now I was mentioning this in a positive way, I hope it doesnt start any arguments between us.

The (ka-bar) design is very popular, and copied by many... I would of never thought twice if he didnt call it a kabar and put USMC on it, just like a ka-bar.


We have been having some good snark convos lately

 

[TMHunt]

No worries, you hit it right on the head WW. Just like D mentioned aswell, I personally don't like the WSK, but I LOVE the thought behind it. The reason I hate the knife is they tried to put it in a compact package and for what its purpose is it is just to small IMO. Murph wanted a WSK and against my better judgement made him one. Once he had it I think he agreed with my logic and didn't like it. But we both agreed that the concept and thought was cool. That got my wheels turning. So I went to the drawing board and tried to make something that every inch of it suited a purpose. To the best of my knowledge and to please nobody else but me. I never expected that it would be so well received. But, it is true that it was inspired by the WSK. I truelly believe it is O.k. to draw inspiration from anything. But personally, I don't get the whole mimicing something 100% and passing it off as your own. For example. Way before Bob Loveless died, there where and still are more than a few makers that make "Bob Loveless" design knives and demanded as much or more for them that Bob charged for his knives. I don't understand that at all.

 

[james terrio]

Water Management Districts do not purify, sell, pump, or distribute water. They are a regulatory agency. Sorry, you are mistaken.

My apologies. I've been wrong before, and probably will be again. My original point was that putting a label that says "Drinking Water" on a jug doesn't mean much. It's tap water.

I dont mind reading about it, hell i dont mind discussing it, I was just wanting to know what NOT to do to avoid any issues later.

Same here :thumbup:

Water fight!!!

Toaster Battle

Now THAT's funny! My money is on water... everyone knows that toast gets soggy easily and water can carve canyons.

In other news, I've seen thousand-year-old knives in museums that measure out precisely like a Loveless drop-point hunter. That's all I have to say about that.

 

[james terrio]

That's all I have to say about that.

Well, maybe not. On the subject of trademarks/proprietary designs etc... it's my understanding that Mr. Brown did not patent his Tracker/WSK design, and did not have a problem with other people making their own versions of it. Be advised, that's only hearsay, and I have no actual documentation to that effect.

I personally wouldn't stamp USMC on anything (because I was never a Marine and don't have a contract with them), certainly not a Ka-Bar-style F/U knife... that's a bit cheesy. For the sake of argument, the 1942 pattern we all know and love was far from "original" in the first place. Lots of companies made lots of knives like that for decades beforehand.

On the other hand, if someone is interested in making a knife with the "Besh Wedge" grind, I do know for a fact that when I contacted him and discussed it, he sent me a bunch of material explaining why/how he developed it and gave me full and free permission to use it however I want, as long as I was open about the fact that I got the idea from him. That seems pretty reasonable to me :thumbup:

On the other, other hand... don't even think about putting a "Talon hole" on your knives. That WILL start a poop-storm.

 

[worldwood]

On the other, other hand... don't even think about putting a "Talon hole" on your knives. That WILL start a poop-storm.

And I think thats silly! Its just a circle hole.... I mean come on i dont think anyone should "own" that. I think they should make the talon hole shaped like "B" then that I could understand being trademarked.

Even on my shirt they comment on it, But I love my NMFSH anyway. Its a great chopper.... Still the "hole" should be something unique, not just a circle... people use it without even meaning to copy a Busse.

 

[Guyon]

Really like these Remora holsters.

Finally got around to shooting the LC9. About ten yards. Long trigger pull takes some getting used to, but the pistol shoots just fine.

 

[Guyon]

New stompers for training and the upcoming 5K. Running a 5-miler in November too.

 

[bigghoss]

It's dumping rain here today so I won't get much moving done. Oh well I have over a week left to get this place cleared out. I'm gonna look for a new spot to get some breakfast.

 

[james terrio]

And I think thats silly! Its just a circle hole.... I mean come on i dont think anyone should "own" that.

You're right, but you are attempting to employ reason and logic to understand a marketing/business decision regarding a trademark issue. That hardly ever works.

It's an entirely useless "feature" anyway... the only point I can see is if you want to lash the knife to a stick, and if that's the idea, there are much better ways to accomplish it (namely, two or more holes through the tang, which that company regularly uses anyway). I've heard claims/rumors that they use it as a mounting point when they CNC the grinds, but that doesn't make sense either... there are plenty other places on those blades/tangs to "tie down" and "mount up" for machining purposes.

But it means a whole (ho ho! I said "hole") lot to that company, and they're not shy about enforcing it. I made exactly one custom order with that feature... never again.

 

[tradewater]

I'd like to own a trademark for the "spine". Now that would create some issues.