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Sadly I think the same thing and was even talking to my girls last night about it....I told them if they really want a reasonable guarantee of a comfortable living they might consider NOT going to college and become a plumber or electrician....actually school would be OK with me, as long as they consider the ramifications of what they pursue. Do you want to sit at a desk all day with no windows? Can your profession be done by somebody with an Internet connection halfway around the globe?

Excellent points by you and Daizee as well. :thumbup:

This country's priorities, education systems, job markets and frankly the whole economy are completely upside down these days, and it didn't happen overnight. Everyone wants to be a CEO or a movie star - but I got news for ya kids, there are just not very many of those jobs to go around.

There are an awful lot of people of all ages with degrees in business/management and the various liberal arts who are stuck in dead-end McJobs right now, and likely will be until they learn to actually DO or MAKE something that has intrinsic value. Meanwhile most will be paying off those fancy pieces of paper for many years to come.

I don't know any machinists, welders, plumbers, riggers, mechanics etc etc who aren't busy working in their chosen field.

That concludes Dr. JT's lecture on socio-economics for today. Is it bourbon-thirty yet?
 
That's one area where I'm lucky, VA disability and social security money through my dad will pay most of my college
 
Excellent points by you and Daizee as well. :thumbup:

This country's priorities, education systems, job markets and frankly the whole economy are completely upside down these days, and it didn't happen overnight. Everyone wants to be a CEO or a movie star - but I got news for ya kids, there are just not very many of those jobs to go around.

There are an awful lot of people of all ages with degrees in business/management and the various liberal arts who are stuck in dead-end McJobs right now, and likely will be until they learn to actually DO or MAKE something that has intrinsic value. Meanwhile most will be paying off those fancy pieces of paper for many years to come.

I don't know any machinists, welders, plumbers, riggers, mechanics etc etc who aren't busy working in their chosen field.

That concludes Dr. JT's lecture on socio-economics for today. Is it bourbon-thirty yet?

A very fine lecture from the Professor!

I knew a gentleman once who decided to go to Votech school using the GI Bill after he retired from the Army. He got certificates in both nursing and plumbing. He figured he'd always have a job if he wanted to suplement his military retirement. He wound up getting hired on as an Army civilian employee to teach tactical communications, but was prepared if that didn't work out.

Other data points:

My daughter graduated from Texas A&M (magna cum laude) with a degree in Communications, minor in Sociogy. I managed to foot the bill along with her part time jobs, and she graduated with no debt. She wanted to work for a non-profit doing mision-type work, but nothing panned out. She wound up going to work for a coffee importer based here in Texas since she had worked for 3 years as a barrista in college. The degree showed them that she had time management skills, etc, etc, but her job really doesn't depend on her degree. After a year, they told her that her performance was well above entry level and she got a 25% salary raise and 5% bonus check. In her case, the degree plus work experience opened the door for her.

My son is now in a 2-year program at a community college (so not huge tuition bills) studying Music Business, Performance and Technology. They get some core courses from all three areas, but he's focusing on the technology track. He's had two semesters of Audio Engineering and knows the basics of setting up a recording studio (mic placement, cabling, etc), mixing audio tracks, recording and editing MIDI, and other cool things. The degree will be an Associate in Applied Science. The key is the "applied " part...he'll actually be able to "do" something as opposed to "think" about something.

Not that "thinking" is a bad thing... I got my degree in Electrical Engineering back in 1984 (shortly after the dinosaurs all died...) but also committed to going into the Army through ROTC (I believe beer was involved). I did telecommunications stuff (tactical and strategic) (I kill with my mind, not with my hands...), and my degree served me well. But in addition to all the theoretical knowledge, I learned to "do" stuff - design, install, operate, maintain, troubleshoot - with actual magical talking electrical boxes...

I didn't really mean this to turn into another hour of lecture...but oh, well...it builds character.
 
A degree (any degree) will certainly help get a job.it shows dedication. But they can also be detrimental in hard times. My wife has 3 Masters degrees and it was near impossible for her to get a job. One winter she applied to babies r us as a seasonal job to supplement our income (i suspect it had more to do with getting a discount lol) and they wouldnt even give her an interview. They told her she was overqualified and they couldnt afford to pay her what she was worth. She said she just wanted minimum wage. They said no because if a better job came along she would take it.....??? Who wouldnt? She was refused a job several times. She finally got a part time data entry job for a good friend's company. At the interview he took one look at her resume and said he would only hire her temporarily to do the entry stuff,then he had other plans for her as a full time employee. Shortly after that I got let go from my job and we made the switch. She has worked her way up in her company and Im very proud of her, but it was all from hard work and dedication. None of what she does now is even close to what she was educated in....
 
Not that "thinking" is a bad thing... I got my degree in Electrical Engineering back in 1984 (shortly after the dinosaurs all died...)

I got my EE degree in 85, right at the first collapse of Silicon Valley. ...never did find an engineering job and have been working with my hands ever since. So.....I skew towards pragmatism when it comes to higher education.

That's great for your daughter. And very cool what your son is learning. ....I had an uncle who was the head. ...tech/sound guy/gaffer for the theater at Kansas State. Man did he have some stories to tell. Sadly some of them involved alcohol, which is why he's no longer with us.
 
Wife goes in tomorrow for an interview for a promotion to supervisor with a decent pay bump.....


Fingers crossed!!!!
 
If anyone's looking for a new show to watch I HIGHLY reccomemd checking out "hell on wheels". It a western drama but it takes place during the building of the trams continental railroad. It is really good

Completely agree. Been watching Hell on Wheels since it started - great show.
 
Job/education situation is similar here in Canada. Plenty of opportunities for the skilled trades. Not so many options for most university grads.
 
Have fun, remember your bearings as they shove you in the locker, it's easier that way when getting out.
To bad I didn't read this 'till I got home.....:(

Good morning.

Have fun kid.
Thanks, and it was fun....:D
I thought you was home schooled MM?

I was, but my Mom wanted me to attend a public high school, which was not for another year, but she really wanted me out, so I skipped 8th and went into 9th grade in the Local High school.
Enjoy your first day at school MM. Remember, girls are icky and have cooties :rolleyes: focus on your studies!
LOL, yeah.... I'm told I have my priorities strait....We'll see....;)
Leave the cutlery at home!

Yep! I did see about five kids that had a knife clipped on 'em though....

Amazingly enough, some schools still allow knife carry. My son's HS (he graduated last year) allowed a knife as long as the blade wasn't longer than the width of your palm. Kind of arbitrary, but with a huge percentage of the kids in FFA, they recognized that knives are tools for most people as opposed to weapons. It's almost required when working out in the Ag barn at the school, and they certainly weren't going to be providing knives to the students.
Yeah, it's kinda like that here, I highly doubt that someone would get in trouble for having pocket knife.
Good luck but I thought also that you were homeschooled?.
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