So since BM uses the Spyderhole.......

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TFin04

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Kind of dreaming here a bit. :D

Since BM is producing knives with the spyderhole, what's the chances of Spyderco using the Axis lock?

I'm a devout Spyderco fan, but I really like the axis lock. I've gone back and forth with BM's trying to find one I like with the lock, but I can't do it and always come back to Spyderco.

I know they've made the D'Allara but that knife wasn't really what I was looking for.

I'm thinking a Millie, Para, Stretch or Caly with an Axis lock on it would be the perfect knife...
 
mongomondo said:
Mmmm, Military with an axis. Mmmmm. That sounds tasty.
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I came close with the BM 710, but didn't like the blade shape, grind or ergonomics. Likewise the handle was slippery, ergo's weren't great and the jimping was laughable. It was no Spyderco, that's for sure!
 
I almost don't believe that the handle material on the Military and 710 are the same.
 
They aren't. Spyderco has their G-10 custom made to their specifications with extra layers of glass fiber, so it's bound to be different than BM G-10.
 
Something like a Manix or Chinook with an AXIS lock would be sweet.:thumbup:
I'd buy one, my brother would, and my dad would too(he REALLY wants an AXIS folder with a choil and a beefy blade:)).
 
Spyderco is working on a Manix with the ball-lock. That will be sweet!
I would be happy to see the Military with the compression lock, I highly doubt Spyderco will ever use the Axis lock.
They have the compression and the ball, B/M has the axis don't think we will see any mixing between the two companies of these.
 
Axis Lock Stretch 2 would be the best knife ever, IMO. I can think of nothing I would change on it.
 
Spyderco already has the encapsulated ball lock, which is something very close to the Axis. I believe their exact mechanical workings are quite different, as would have to be the case to avoid patent issues.

Still a great lock. :thumbup:
 
Personally I think the caged ball lock is a better design.

In addition, I am quite sure the moral / ethical values at Spyderco run strong.
 
David Lowry said:
In addition, I am quite sure the moral / ethical values at Spyderco run strong.
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It would be no different than using the Wave feature that they (properly) give credit to Emerson. Or the Frame Lock that Chris Reeve designed. Or the David Boye Dent, or any of their custom collaborations they do with knife designers. With as many innovations as Sal and crew have brought to this market, they didn't think of everything they use.

I'm not saying to just copy the axis lock and market it as theirs, I'm saying to do it legit and build it into their knives.
 
steelscout30 said:
Spyderco already has the encapsulated ball lock, which is something very close to the Axis. I believe their exact mechanical workings are quite different, as would have to be the case to avoid patent issues.
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TFin04 said:
I know they've made the D'Allara but that knife wasn't really what I was looking for.
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Already covered that...
 
I would LOVE to see some Spydercos with an Axis lock.

I don't yet have any of the ball locks yet. So, I am curious how I will like it. I am VERY interested in seeing the Manix with a ball lock and the D'Allara with G10 ***or CF!!! (*** Also, FLAT grind on the D'Allara "PLEASE"... and if possible bring the blades edge and handle closer without a sharpening choil).


For the record, while I do like the Axis lock and have owned a few, I actually like the function of Sog's Arc lock a little better. The Arc locks I have owned have seemed both a little smoother and more solid.

Again, I am still curious how the ball locks compare.... just need a knife design of interest.... Stretch III with a ball-lock or Arc-lock or whatever sounds interesting.

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While axis locks are easier to disengage than BBLs, the omega springs used in the axis are a relatively weak design (so I'm told) as opposed to the more conventional springs in the BBL. Also, BBLs look terrific.

I'm happy with either. The really wonderful thing about these locks is that their failure rate is so low that it's really big news to hear about a failure. It's so uncommon that we all wonder if the person is just making trouble and it's fictional. That the basic design happens to provide a much easier action and keeps the folded blade in the knife more securely are huge advantages too.

That said, I'm glad Spyderco provides me with a broad variety of lock choices. I'm a huge Benchmade fan too, but in the Benchmade world, 90% of your designs are axis locks and I want more variety. Interestingly, of my five Benchmades, only two of them have used the axis lock.
 
I like the ball lock better I find it to be a more sturdy design. The fact that it does not unlock as easy as an axis is a Big Plus for me. I do not like like locks that are easily disengaged with light pressure on the lock release mechanism.
I also do not like lock releases that are to exposed. I do like knives that can be quickly opened but once locked I want them to stay that way anything else just makes accidents easier to happen.
Since walk by assassinations (okay an extreme example) are not my thing I don't find a need to be able to close my folder as quickly as I opened it.
 
That said I do like the axis lock. I would like it even better if they employed strong spring tension on it and included the same safety slide switch that they use on their auto axis on their standard models. Some people would hate that ok I would be satisfied with stronger spring tension.
 
Has Benchmade given credit to Spyderco for using the Round Hole Opener? I don't think so. Me personally, I don't like the Axis lock at all, and the fact that it's on nearly every single BM knife has kinda put me off buying one. The BBL on the D'Allara rocks, and I can't wait for a manix with one. :thumbup:
 
Josh K said:
Has Benchmade given credit to Spyderco for using the Round Hole Opener? I don't think so. Me personally, I don't like the Axis lock at all, and the fact that it's on nearly every single BM knife has kinda put me off buying one. The BBL on the D'Allara rocks, and I can't wait for a manix with one. :thumbup:
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Spyderco does have protection for the round hole.
Anybody who wants to use it needs to license it from Spyderco.
 
Josh K said:
Has Benchmade given credit to Spyderco for using the Round Hole Opener? I don't think so.
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I don't work for either company, I couldn't tell you for sure. I thought I read something that they have indeed paid for the rights to use it, but I can't be certain.

I hear axis lock bashers talk about the omega springs a lot. Can you find many documented cases of these springs failing?
 
I personally like a knife's blade to be able to be disengaged and closed easily, smoothly and quickly with one hand almost as important as opening easily, smoothly and quickly.

Personally, I rate the ability to disengage and close the blade easily, smoothly and quickly a little above the strength of the lock. I feel the T-Mag is a little lacking in what I prefer in a lock. But, I have never used a liner lock in any way as to fear lock failure.

I have actually ground into liner locks at their bend points to loosen their tension and ease operation at the risk of weakening the locks. All of these mods have been an improvement to those various modified knives over-all function so far in my book.

I know some people seem to me to be a little fanatical about how strong a lock is and in all fairness, I can see some applications where lock strength might be highly warranted - just not so much for me. And for the record, I will happily take a strong lock so long as it easily, quickly and smoothly dissengages.

I often find myself in situations where I am holding something with my left hand, need to deploy my knife for a cut with one hand and similarly re-pocket the knife with the same hand as I am still holding whatever with my other hand. For this reason, I like VERY easy and smooth knife operation across the board.


If the ball lock is so hard to disengage, I am not sure what advantages I would see over the Axis locks or Arc locks. (?????)

From pictures I have seen of the ball lock design, my first concern was assuming the ball might spin or slip rather than move back into the spring to disengage (?????). It seems that with a ball lock, you would have to "Securely" grip the ball with "Both" sides to prevent slipping and spinning to be able to retract the ball into the spring. - Am I correct about this?

Neither the Axis lock or Arc lock are so dependent on secure grip from both sides and neither have issue with a ball spinning or slipping. Both would actually function fine with being dissengaged from one side only on either side. So, what advantages does the ball lock have?

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