So... Tomorrow night starts the new Dual Survival...

Just watched the new episode I DVR'd last night. I'm glad they didn't bicker and argue as the did last season. Apparently the Discovery Channel seems to think that makes shows good. Thats the reason I don't watch much TV anymore.

This episode was actually really good, though. The shelter was awesome. I set the DVR to record this show in the future. Season looks promising.

-Nadz
 
averageiowaguy said:
In the opinion of a surgeon who is board certified in 2 specialties and ATLS certified, the cauterization thing for that wound was incredibly stupid and unnecessary. The only thing underneath the wound in that location is a very small amount of subcutaneous fat and muscle. There is almost no chance that a wound of that size, in that location would cause life threatening bleeding. If they were worried about infection, they just increased the risk many fold by creating an eschar of necrotic tissue on the surface of the wound. Bacteria love to grow in dead stuff. People should stop trying to play doctor in the woods. They just end up looking stupid to people who know what they're doing. Its like the guys who dress up in Army guy costumes and tromp around in the desert shooting sage bushes. I'm sure people with real military experience look at that and just shake their heads.
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Thanks more-than-averageguy ;)

Yes, the wound thing was stupid. I guess we have to bear in mind that the producers felt the need to come up with something really stupid to kick off season-2 in order to get the ratings up. At least they shoved it up front and then left the stupidity at that point once it was over with.

There were some positive things to this show. The wiki-up was awesome, but kind of a shame they only used it for one night. My guess, since they knew they were moving on the next morning, they could of build a more humble lean-to using the raingear that they had in the backpack which curiously was never used in the show. It would have been better to build that wiki-up at the beach where they were going to settle in until rescue. I liked that they for once failed to catch an animal on hunting/trapping. Starting to show the norm of food foraging rather than get too amped on the the thrill of the chase.

Again, aside from the wound thing which was irresponsible and pointless other than to demonstrate that Dave is willing to cut himself for $$, I thought the rest of the show was quite good, not too glorified, less bickering, no dumb ropework in the middle of no-wehere and lots of great scenery. Why can't either of these guys put a firesteel with their sheath knives? If they are allowed to carry knives all the time, they should also carry a firesteel, but I suppose that is part of the formulae of the show.
 
It was ok but too much time spent on that whole stupid cauterization thing. Cody made a nice looking shelter but wished they went into important details like insulation from the ground. Then again I was fighting for control of the TV remote with my 5 year old nephew so could have missed that.
 
The whole "burn" thing was dumb, but I still find this show (and Man, Woman, Wild) better than some of the others. For all the flaws, the format of having two people interacting, rather than one guy droning endlessly to a camera, is just more watchable.
 
I liked the show. They emphasized to not do the cauterization thing. If you take that out, I thought it was a great episode.
 
That has no place in anyones first aid skill set. It is a skill, and has its uses. In the field, it has no place IMO. :thumbdn:

Id rather watch the sex and the city box set then watch that damn moron DC on TV. I did not tune in, and I will not tune in. I dont give one rats ass what they are doin or where they are at. They could film that crap in my back yard, and I wouldnt do anything except turn on the sprinklers. :jerkit:

I used to like Cody, but he sold out too. Lost alot of respect from me for the things he has put his name on. Waaaaay waaaaay too many other REAL guys Id rather give $$ to, and give my time to watching on the youtube.

Just my opinion. Everyone else is more then free to make up there own mind. Survival genre needs to figure out ways to entertain without giving out dangerous ignorant advise. TV is still stupid in general, and this is no exception.:thumbup::thumbup:
 
FWIW, I have absolutely no problem with anyone who likes the show, or watches it regularly. Just my view on it.
 
They flat out said in the episode that cauterization was not needed for that wound and it was just used to demonstrate how it stops the bleeding. Cody gave a scenario where civil war fighters would get a limb torn off and put their bleeding numb right on a hot iron skillet to stop bleeding and save their lives. It was pretty clear from the Dialogue that it was something to use in a life or death situation.
 
Its not something to use in a life or death situation. If it were we would do it on the ambulance.

There was no need to even show it.....Medicine just might have progressed from the civil war.

Ive worked alot af traumatic amputations, and there is actually not much blood loss due to the constriction responce in vessels. If there is, use a TQ. In all my years of experiance Ive never found a wound that bleeding couldnt be controlled with direct pressure or TQ. FWIW, cauterization is never done to the skin.
 
If it were we would do it on the ambulance.
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Hard to find these deep in the wild.

"Large, gaping flesh wounds are sometimes cauterized when help is a LONG way off...
The idea is to control bleeding, without much regard to sanitation or what it will do to surrounding tissue.

I read about a guy in Central America that was shark bit in the thigh about 48 hours from shore, and the crew 'Cauterized' the gaping hole to keep him from bleeding out since they had no medical kit and no way to control the hemorrhage..."

With Some leg wounds a tq will not work so well. Especially ones with artery damage.

A shark bite is probably one of the only examples this is viable.

Today cauterization is mostly done with high accuracy and precision on internal organs. If help is close by or a tq will stop bleeding you you be stupid to cauterize yourself.
 
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TheBladeMaster said:
Hard to find these deep in the wild.

"Large, gaping flesh wounds are sometimes cauterized when help is a LONG way off...
The idea is to control bleeding, without much regard to sanitation or what it will do to surrounding tissue.

I read about a guy in Central America that was shark bit in the thigh about 48 hours from shore, and the crew 'Cauterized' the gaping hole to keep him from bleeding out since they had no medical kit and no way to control the hemorrhage...

It was a Horrible Wound!
What the shark hadn't taken, the cauterizing had destroyed!
I just couldn't believe he survived it!
Most of the upper thigh next to the hip joint was gone, and the thin layer of scar tissue that had formed since the attack by shark and boat mates, you could actually see the two parts of the hip ball & socket work through the scar tissue..."

With Some leg wounds a tq will not work so well. Especially ones with artery damage.

A shark bite is probably one of the only examples this is viable.

Today cauterization is mostly done with high accuracy and precision on internal organs. If help is close by or a tq will stop bleeding you you be stupid to cauterize yourself.
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Just cause ambulances arent patroling the backcountry doesnt mean that people shouldnt look to EMS and what we do to base a skillset on. I work a very very rural area where help is far, and transports are long. We dont, and would never cauterize in the field.

Large arteries are not cauterized, they are sewn or clamped. All of which are surgical in nature. You are not going to cauterize a large vessel. You will do more harm then good. Fact is there is simply no need for it in the woods. None. Without the specifcs, I cant speculate on the shark bite case(although I will say that sharks will do a number on someone!). Id venture to guess with massive Trauma cases you are just prolonging death, if it works at all.

Dont do this guys. Its not appropriate medical treatment. Start with direct pressure and then work up to a TQ, and maybe quick clot as a last resort. If you do that right, you wont need to set yourself on fire to treat a lac.

These controversial things are exactly what they need to keep out of the show. They are not thought provoking or interesting. For the most part they are just confusing.
 
It's unfortunate that the modern TV show producer feels the opposite, or so it seems to me. Excess drama, and anything that is sensational or controversial is what they think will get ratings. That's why soap operas have stayed on TV so long, and why the show Survior is still going, althogh I can't imagine watching either.
 
I hear what you are saying J. I wouldn't condone the cauterization thing unless they waz cauterizing Dave's caudal vein. Now the only question would be if he was shaking from pain or ecstasy? Joking of course. It was dumb...., but going beyond that the show seems to have learned many lessons. Not even a single little aside explanation of why Cody is barefoot which was featured in every episode of season 1. Cody, quit complaining and just resigned himself to be the shelter bitch. Boy, when he's not bitching about it he sure creates a kick ass shelter!!!! Dave tried to score some beaver and had to relegate himself to his right hand (after all the left one was a bit out of commission).

I liked this one. Why Cody didn't put on that rain gear in his backpack when it started rain/sleeting I do not know, but it was a good episode without drama except for the gunpowder nonsense.
 
kgd said:
I hear what you are saying J. I wouldn't condone the cauterization thing unless they waz cauterizing Dave's caudal vein. Now the only question would be if he was shaking from pain or ecstasy? Joking of course. It was dumb...., but going beyond that the show seems to have learned many lessons. Not even a single little aside explanation of why Cody is barefoot which was featured in every episode of season 1. Cody, quit complaining and just resigned himself to be the shelter bitch. Boy, when he's not bitching about it he sure creates a kick ass shelter!!!! Dave tried to score some beaver and had to relegate himself to his right hand (after all the left one was a bit out of commission).

I liked this one. Why Cody didn't put on that rain gear in his backpack when it started rain/sleeting I do not know, but it was a good episode without drama except for the gunpowder nonsense.
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:D:thumbup: Great post.....

I agree Cody has skills. Im dissapointed that he has affixed himself with DC, but I get that money is a strong motivator. Im glad that the barefoot hippy crap wasnt addressed. Maybe he put his bare foot down with some creative input in order to have a season 2. Speculation of course. Not only can he build a shelter, but his firecraft is great, and he has wrote a few very good books. Which I own and have read.:thumbup::thumbup:


Im not quick on the trigger to judge folks. Anyone who has spent time on the forums, or in the dirt with me knows that. Dave C has just rubbed me wrong since his youtube days. Then with all the smoke with his military carreer, and poaching...Then some crazy stuff about his classes and dangerous unskilled rope work, punji stick pits being tested on live animals, and on and on....I just plain dont like the guy, and I dont like ANY questionable medical stuff being thrown out there. Probably cause im the sucka that gets to clean up after self imposed "home remedies" such as this, and super glue, and sugar etc....Even though they said "DONT DO THIS", You know as well as I do that most of the masses will not hear a word spoken, and just follow what they see. Unfortunate.

Im all for bringing preparedness, and some adventure style entertainment to the masses, I just wish it could be done in a more responsable mannor.

Again, I dont care what people do with their free time, and I dont care if people are a fan of this show, or not. I dont watch hardly any television anymore. Maybe 1-2 hours a week so I might be a little out of touch with "the common man"

Thanks for the input though Ken....I respect your opinion, and am glad to hear that maybe the show is listening to viewer input. That whole barefoot bush hippy bickering was hard to listen to!!!!
 
j williams said:
That has no place in anyones first aid skill set. It is a skill, and has its uses. In the field, it has no place IMO. :thumbdn:
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Not sure if you just maybe phrased that poorly or what, but as a former EMT myself, I wonder where, if not in the field, would you expect to find a gunpowder cauterization, in a hospital????? :)
 
My only question is... has anyone ever found any sort of rifle in the woods? 'cause... that's lucky right there. Enjoy the show still. I just hope it won't got the way of Man Vs. Wild and have 'em go through dumb things to prove no point at all - unfortunately; the self cut scene seemed like the beginning of just that.
 
kgd said:
Why Cody didn't put on that rain gear in his backpack when it started rain/sleeting I do not know.
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I remember times on the AT when the weather was funky. It would rain one second, clear up and get warm the next. Each instance by the time I got the poncho and gaiters on soon started to sweat in the sun. Finally decided it wasn't worth the effort. Maybe it could have been something like that? Not sure though.
 
Bear Claw Chris Lappe said:
Not sure if you just maybe phrased that poorly or what, but as a former EMT myself, I wonder where, if not in the field, would you expect to find a gunpowder cauterization, in a hospital????? :)
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I was speaking of cauterization in general. Using gunpowder for the procedure has no place anywhere... field, hospital, or Mars.
 
My son and I watched it yesterday morning (recorded it). The overall show was great, but it did spend too much time on the cauterization piece. I was interesting and it did have some historical references and I wouldn't even mind it being done on "Myth Busters" but it wasn't a good addition for a show like this. There are so many potential problems that could be made worse with actions like that. Like I said, in a controlled environment, it would be educational from a historical aspect but not in a "survival situation" TV show; other than that aspect, the show as pretty good. DC does have some decent skills, but often his extreme actions over-shadow them. Cody continues to be the voice of reason with methodical approaches to "real" survival...not to mention, I love his sarcasm:D

I don't know Jake...I know you don't care for DC, but I would much rather attempt a self-cauterizing wound on myself if I was given an choice between that and Sex and the City:eek::D You my friend have a truly high-tolerance for "pain":D

ROCK6
 
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