SOG's Official Response

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After reading the first 4 pages of this thread, I think I have a good jist of it.
Most of the remarks are misguided, at best.
I am a knife designer. There is damned little that hasn't already been done in the cutlery business. Spyderco patented a HOLE, Michael Walker patented the LINER LOCK, Benchmade patented the SAFETY on an automatic. These are not exactly heroic examples of innovation!
Similar (and sometimes exact) patterns have been made by cutlers forever.
No one says a word about Case and Camillus producing stockman patterns. Unless a pattern comprises something new, useful, and innovative, it can't be patented.
I have spoken with Spencer (Frayser) at SOG about design work. We never came to terms, but I can tell you he is a good businessman. Unless there are legal reasons not to produce a particular design, it is perfectly acceptable to do so. It's called "business"-something that seems to be foreign to most of you.
Business isn't "fair," but it breeds competition-which is good for the consumer.
And I wondered how the liberal politicians got elected......sheesh!
 
TROLLING!
That's ridiculous. I am a knife designer with knives in production. I would think my input on this subject is pretty damned relevant. I know the knife BUSINESS. Most of the posts in this thread are by people who obviously know nothing about business.
I almost feel like demanding an apology, but it's not worth the trouble.
 
Bill DeShivs said:
TROLLING!
That's ridiculous. I am a knife designer with knives in production. I would think my input on this subject is pretty damned relevant. I know the knife BUSINESS. Most of the posts in this thread are by people who obviously know nothing about business.
I almost feel like demanding an apology, but it's not worth the trouble.
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+1 well said :thumbup:
 
Bill, it's not worth it.

But I will remind everyone here that anyone who wants to discuss the KNIVES is welcome to do so. Anyone discussing other MEMBERS is out of line and will begin collecting infractions.

Express your opinions; don't insult each other. When in doubt, leave it out.
 
Bill DeShivs said:
After reading the first 4 pages of this thread, I think I have a good jist of it.
Most of the remarks are misguided, at best.
I am a knife designer. There is damned little that hasn't already been done in the cutlery business. Spyderco patented a HOLE, Michael Walker patented the LINER LOCK, Benchmade patented the SAFETY on an automatic. These are not exactly heroic examples of innovation!
Similar (and sometimes exact) patterns have been made by cutlers forever.
No one says a word about Case and Camillus producing stockman patterns. Unless a pattern comprises something new, useful, and innovative, it can't be patented.
I have spoken with Spencer (Frayser) at SOG about design work. We never came to terms, but I can tell you he is a good businessman. Unless there are legal reasons not to produce a particular design, it is perfectly acceptable to do so. It's called "business"-something that seems to be foreign to most of you.
Business isn't "fair," but it breeds competition-which is good for the consumer.
And I wondered how the liberal politicians got elected......sheesh!
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redisburning said:
also lol @ DeShivs, try being a little less blatant with the trolling next time?
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Wow, redisburning, awfully quick to call a perfectly reasonable summary of the entire thread a "Troll". I think Bill nailed it with his observations. You obviously have a different opinion. Resorting to name calling is certainly not the best way to express your disagreement, especially in "General".


Bill, Supmonkeyface, Bushman5, and Esav, y'all beat me to it. My sentiment's exactly.
 
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I happen to know both Sal Glesser and Spencer Frazer. I know the knife business. I have better than 15,000 knives in service with my name on them. I feel I am pretty qualified in making my statements. There is nothing wrong (legally or morally) with producing one's own version of a pattern. You know, "Build a better mousetrap...." The knives in question are not cheap counterfeits, they are another maker's version of a particular pattern, and maked with that maker's name.
BTW- I did read the entire thread.
 
Bill DeShivs said:
I happen to know both Sal Glesser and Spencer Frazer. I know the knife business. I have better than 15,000 knives in service with my name on them. I feel I am pretty qualified in making my statements. There is nothing wrong (legally or morally) with producing one's own version of a pattern. You know, "Build a better mousetrap...." The knives in question are not cheap counterfeits, they are another maker's version of a particular pattern, and maked with that maker's name.
BTW- I did read the entire thread.
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Thank you again for you insight. Its nice to hear from someone who actually has the background and experience speak to the issues raised in this thread.
 
I'm not upset they used the opening hole, Any particular lock/steel/material, or anything like that; i'm upset they did an obvious copy of the designs instead of comming up with their own, then altering them just enough in a poor attempt to cover their legal backside. Why doesn't SOG come up with their own designs?
 
PG5768 said:
Wow, redisburning, awfully quick to call a perfectly reasonable summary of the entire thread a "Troll".
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I would direct you to this statement in his post:

And I wondered how the liberal politicians got elected
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mm hmm that's not the least bit trying to bait people over politics

I almost feel like demanding an apology, but it's not worth the trouble.
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feel free to ask, you wont get one unless I am asked to do so by the mod staff. you should keep your inane political comments out of the discussion like the rest of us.

I was going to suggest you sound like you have no ethics with the way you pass off possible IP theft, maybe that would have been more appropriate?
 
Esav Benyamin said:
But I will remind everyone here that anyone who wants to discuss the KNIVES is welcome to do so. Anyone discussing other MEMBERS is out of line and will begin collecting infractions.

Express your opinions; don't insult each other. When in doubt, leave it out.
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I see we're on a roll here. The battle will rage on despite my suggestion?
OK, the thread has long since run its course. Closed.
 
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