SOG's Official Response

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That's not a great post, that's a troll post if I've ever seen one. I wonder if he's actually employed by SOG or if he's contracted out as a consultant.

...and if SOG had just put "We love Sal Glesser" above the SOGzilla online and in catalogs, we'd just all be complaining about Cold Steel again....
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Gee, imagine that! The fanbase would be happy that a company properly licenses another company's trademark and doesn't infringe on their IP. I am shocked that you have made this groundbreaking assertion.

Instead we've got Spencer Frazer blowing us off and guys like you trying to run a smokescreen on the actions of a once good, but now dishonorable, knife company.

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:) Welcome to the forum seanv1, keep up with the educated posting style, some people get a little too many holes in their logic and jump to conclusions to quickly.
 
spoonrobot said:
That's not a great post, that's a troll post if I've ever seen one. I wonder if he's actually employed by SOG or if he's contracted out as a consultant.



Gee, imagine that! The fanbase would be happy that a company properly licenses another company's trademark and doesn't infringe on their IP. I am shocked that you have made this groundbreaking assertion.

Instead we've got Spencer Frazer blowing us off and guys like you trying to run a smokescreen on the actions of a once good, but now dishonorable, knife company.

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Why all the hostility, sarcasm and accusations directed at seanv1?
 
You guys must be slipping. Where's the crew that outed that guy with the ridiculous thread about the overpriced XM-18?

The post above reads exactly like a shill posting. There's a big red herring to distract you from the fact that he's trying to excuse the behavior of the company, behavior endorsed by the founder and chief designer. Then he tries to sell one of the designs in question, it's really quite perplexing that no one else sees this.

I'm not going to excuse this conduct because SOG hired a new marketing company. I'm not going to ignore it because SOG makes some good products. They screwed up and told us to pound sand, which is unacceptable to me. Integrity, it's still important.

You'll also notice that he never recommended SOG stop stealing other companies IP. That'd be a novel solution, wouldn't it?
 
seanv1 said:
Oh, and as far as the great-priced EDC/tactical blades being produced in China goes, you may as well get used to it; it's simply becoming too expensive to manufacture a quality product for cheap right here. Even the much revered Sal & company at Spyderco are doing it....
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Get used to it?

That's funny, I dont see there being a shortage of american made knives in the middle of the road category (of which sog isnt part of btw, they are low end) and this is after everyone in the market has had plenty of time to move if they wanted.

Here's what's funny; the real wages of American workers has been stagnant for 10 years. In actuality the relative wage of American workers to Chinese workers has declined due to a recent rise in the real wages of Chinese workers. If a certain heated bill has a provision that will shift a significant portion of the remaining cost onto the government the relative wage will drop even more.

Also Im not sure what Spyderco's corporate strategy has to do with this discussion, beyond the whole theft of their IP issue.

I don't know what you expect others to think when you own this sogzilla junk. If I know that you know that they stole those designs and I see you with one, I will look down on you until time itself ends. Buying a counterfeit, which is all this stuff is, shows a lack of character.
 
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If they stole any designs, I assume there will be court cases upcoming, Right? I believe that would not be legal!! When does it go to court?
 
Wow! I thought this horse was dead. Apparently some folks need to still keep beating it. Nice to see that the self-proclaimed IP experts are still weighing in with their opinions. Too bad Sal or some one from Spyderco doesn't chime in and lay this to rest, rather than remaining silent and letting this flogging continue.

spoonrobot and redisburning, if y'all are so concerned, maybe you should PM or e-mail Sal or Tazkristi and see what they can share with you and/or tell you.
 
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As I remember Sal did say to let this all go.
I suspect few people have nothing better to do than play BF detective/police whatever and accuse others of theft, trolling etc...
 
Gator97 said:
As I remember Sal did say to let this all go.
I suspect few people have nothing better to do than play BF detective/police whatever and accuse others of theft, trolling etc...
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Was that in his "Shiny Footprints" thread? All the negativity in these threads certainly doesn't reflect well on the image Spyderco is trying to portray.
 
You have to admit that this is a great country when pitially things like this are peoples big concern.:D
 
PG5768 said:
Was that in his "Shiny Footprints" thread? All the negativity in these threads certainly doesn't reflect well on the image Spyderco is trying to portray.
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I don't think some of the posters are really that much concerned with Spyderco, this forum, or IP/copyright issues in general. Main point is they get to vent in threads like this, do some good old fashioned witch/troll hunt, the rest is collateral.
 
Gator97 said:
I don't think some of the posters are really that much concerned with Spyderco, this forum, or IP/copyright issues in general. Main point is they get to vent in threads like this, do some good old fashioned witch/troll hunt, the rest is collateral.
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You're right about some of these posters. They just want to stir the pot.
 
I am still waiting to hear when the court case starts if someone stole something.:confused:

I bet the guy who made the second steel knife stole the design from the first guy.;) And bone handles and wood handles and lanyard holes and micarta handles and g-10 handles. Did spydie invent all of these things or copy someone else?
 
udtjim said:
I am still waiting to hear when the court case starts if someone stole something.:confused:
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There may never be a court case, most lawsuits are settled out of court. Even if there is, and even if SOG won, just because something is legal by the strict letter of the law doesn't mean it's right. There is a reason people call it a "legal" system and only mockingly call it a "justice" system these days.

Some people value integrity over the letter of the law.
 
It's very simple, if you want to let a topic die, don't post in it. Time will tell if it's run it's course. If you don't want to read it, don't click on the thread. Some of us have new thoughts to express or responses to the thoughts of others.

I've noticed over the years that if one is expressing an agreeable sentiment they're "expressing their opinion" but if they post something that most find disagreeable they're "stirring the pot" or "venting" or some such nonsense.

The myopic view of the previous posters is obvious. Spyderco/Byrd isn't the only company that SOG is welching designs from. Benchmade, custom maker Bob Lum and Beretta knives have had their borrowed as well. To support this action by SOG makes no sense to my mind, it's bad for the hobbyist and generates negative industry feelings. The company should be informed of the opinion of a small segment of their customer base that uses these forums to say their piece.

I am still waiting to hear when the court case starts if someone stole something.
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What are you attempting to prove? Sometime it's not possible or profitable for companies to protect their property and they have little recourse other than to let the offending party get away with it.

if y'all are so concerned, maybe you should PM or e-mail Sal or Tazkristi and see what they can share with you and/or tell you.
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Why would I do that? I'm already informed of that company's position on the matter. It doesn't affect my opinion of the SOG debacle at all. My presence here was for no other reason than to rebut the obvious troll posting earlier in the thread and say my short opinion on the subject.

You guys seem really caught up on the Spyderco/Byrd aspect. That is just one small part of it, the whole issue involves more than one company.
 
spoonrobot said:
It's very simple, if you want to let a topic die, don't post in it.
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Said spoonrobot, after posting few messages yesterday and today ;)

spoonrobot said:
Some of us have new thoughts to express or responses to the thoughts of others.
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And some of us have opinions on your opinions...

spoonrobot said:
I've noticed over the years that if one is expressing an agreeable sentiment they're "expressing their opinion" but if they post something that most find disagreeable they're "stirring the pot" or "venting" or some such nonsense.
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Stirring the pot is wanted or unwanted consequence of your (and others) expressed opinion. You might "express an opinion" that one race is inferior compared to another, but that doesn't mean it's not stirring the pot or worse.

spoonrobot said:
The myopic view of the previous posters is obvious. Spyderco/Byrd isn't the only company that SOG is welching designs from. Benchmade, custom maker Bob Lum and Beretta knives have had their borrowed as well.
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I see. You are requesting written letter from every maker listed.

spoonrobot said:
To support this action by SOG makes no sense to my mind, it's bad for the hobbyist and generates negative industry feelings.
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Actually a lot of your opponents are not supporting SOG's actions at all. Stirring the pot or mob reactions has very little value for this forum and knife companies.

spoonrobot said:
The company should be informed of the opinion of a small segment of their customer base that uses these forums to say their piece.
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As far as I can tell your position is that the company should be informed at least several hundred times.


spoonrobot said:
What are you attempting to prove?
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What are you attempting to prove? That you care more about Spyderco than they themselves?

spoonrobot said:
You guys seem really caught up on the Spyderco/Byrd aspect. That is just one small part of it, the whole issue involves more than one company.
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Yeah, I'm glad to see you are not caught up in anything to stop you.
 
PG5768 said:
+1, Gator97. :thumbup:
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Can you summarize his point? He didn't say anything substantial so you're basically +1ing dead air. Way to think for yourself.

What are you attempting to prove? That you care more about Spyderco than they themselves?
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I'm not attempting to prove anything. I'm expressing my disappointment with SOG and seanV1.
 
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