Soliciting suggestions for BTTT self policing policies

Double Edge Dave

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The whole BTTT controversy has reared its head again. I had a notion that we could discuss ideas that would set reasonable parameters about sending stuff BTTT, since we are largely self policing on the Indiv. For Sale forums. These are not to be written in stone, but used as commons-sense guidelines. I think that someone should wait at least 48 hours before going BTTT. I also think that after 2-3 times going BTTT, the price should be lowered or the deal be otherwise "sweetened" to promote a sale. At the very least, the knife should be opened to OBO. If we all tried to hold to principles such as these, stuff would hang on to the 1st page a lot longer to begin with. We could accomplish the same things with a lot less bandwidth. The purpose of this thread is to solicit new ideas. What is the concensus here?
David

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Dave, I agree with you at least 110%. I know, that isn't really possible. But I do anyway. I think a little bit of consideration for other people's interests (and Bladeforum's bandwidth) would go a long way when mixed with some common sense. If you BTTT every day for a week and nobody bites, either give it a rest for a month or drop the prices.
 
I agree with you guys, but the problem will be convincing the "You aren't the police, I can do what I want" bunch otherwise.

DaveH
 
David, I agree with you on the 48 hour concept, however, enforcing any guidelines will probably be futile. Someone's friend will do a bttt for them with some comment. Other people will figure that out and then you'll have the same situation. I think I would leave it like it is.
 
I disagree completely. What are we trying to do here, save bandwidth? Keep people from having to click on page 2 or 3 of the Sale forum? Prevent carpal-tunnel syndrome from scrolling to the bottom of a page?

I agree that people should have a little more patience, but that goes for buyers as well as sellers. Why should someone have to “sweeten” a deal or lower his price just because an item doesn’t move in a day or a week? The knife still holds the same value to you. If you are motivated to sell something for a particular reason and your post gets buried on a busy afternoon, why should you have to wait for another day and a half to get your post noticed?

Let’s all try to relax and enjoy the free ride while it lasts.

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James Segura
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I also have to kindly disagree with you David
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. Compared to some of the bandwidth that's wasted with some posts, I don't think that someone that's motivated to sell something should have to wait to have it be seen by someone that hasn't looked at the forums in a while, or lower their selling price. I am a prime example. I have a knife for sale right now that I've had up for a few days, and usually send it bttt at least once or twice a day. I've got it priced at what I think is fair, and do not plan on lowering the price. I have no doubt that it will eventually sell. To me, the more effort that one puts into something, the better the outcome will be for them. If someone wants to put a lot of effort into keeping their post at the top, what is the harm? Just my opinion
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Heh, how much would it be worth to the BTTT'ers if I wrote a little program that BTTT'd your forsale add, hmm, say every five seconds.

After all, what's the harm in that?

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DaveH
 
I'm one of the "BTTT ers" and my knives usually sell.
DaveH kind of extreme are we not?

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have a"knife"day
 
Like I posted in the other similar topic... I just got done selling 9 knives. It took 6 days. I initially had them in 'one' post and only one sold over 2 days. I busted them up into individual posts and they began selling much faster. I dropped the price about every other BTTT by $5 initially and eventually got to where I could only part with half that amount at $2.50 because of the increase in shipping. They all eventually sold with the last one on the 6th day. What I found is that none of them sold when off the first page and that dropping the price had little effect as it seemed the people who bought were seeing the post, at that time/price, for the first time and responded. Also, the individual listings were greeted with greater responses as the title had each specific knife listed and the condition inside the post allowing all those interested to skip quickly to what they wanted. I could never have listed the brand and model of each in a single title as it wouldn't fit otherwise I think the single post thing would work but the titles would be three to four lines long.

Basically, except for BTTT'ing 2-3 times a day to keep my knives from the 3rd page I tried everything I've seen suggested here with little to no effect.

The end result/sale came from working my butt off with the prices and the BTTT's. I answered an average of 8 emails on each knife with perhaps 2-3 of those being serious inquiries. I cannot believe how much time I wasted answering emails from people who didn't follow up in any way. Not with a 'Sorry, not for me price too high', or at least an 'F-You!' Just some vague inquiry which would have been answered by reading the post and no follow up after my reply???!!!

I would never offer a knife up for OBO unless I 'really' had no freakin' idea how much it was worth and then I would be at the mercy of the honesty of the Members here which I think by and large is a good bet. Offering the knife OBO is the same as giving it away and I'm not going to work to do that... I've got friends and family and I'll give it away before suffering some friggin' moron telling me he'll give me $25 for my Sebenza.

I think when we're talking about money and people putting in their own time to sell their blades at what 'they' feel are fair prices we are NEVER going to get a consensus or even two steps from an all out flame war.

I don't like the timeline 48 hours because I've, in the past, sold knives in preparation for Bandruptcy and I've seen a number of people selling for Taxes, Medical Bills, and other things that are of the utmost importance. Frankly, I wouldn't care if people BTTT'd every 5 seconds... I'd just jump mine every 2.5.

Perhaps instead of a 'minute' timeline it could be agreed that the BTTT wouldn't occur (gentlemanly agreement nothing in stone!) before the lower portion of the 3rd page or whatever a majority could agree on. That would do two things... It would set a reasonable 'position' goal rather than 'time' goal and it would allow people who are looking to buy a target of 'checking to the 3rd page' for recent sales placed.

Bottom line is I don't see a whole lot of people 'giving' blades away. I think we would all rather 'keep' the blades or 'sell to upgrade'. I agree that there would be a lot of people who would resist any type of regulation but the majority of people here are solid members reacting to a common situation like the 'You BTTT, I BTTT' thing and if something could be developed it would be considered by all the solid guys and used by most meaning it would have an affect though it might be hard to see and the results would vary.

Just my 2 cents and I love buying, selling and trading here but plan on doing more in the Winter as there is just too much to do the rest of the year.

Shawn



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I say leave it alone. The system self-adjusts, since too much BTTT by a few people would just lead everyone else to overdo it also. I don't see this happening generally, although I laugh when I see more than one a day on some threads.

OBO, Or Best Offer, sounds like a commitment to take whatever shows up. I'd never hold anyone to that -- maybe "make me an offer", like suggesting a trade, or throwing in shipping.

Let's face it, some items won't move fast, but they will sell, some day. Sometimes they get reposted a month later, and then they sell. We won't have people offering really good knives if they have to drop the price again and again to be allowed to offer them.
 
I disagree wholeheartedly. Within 48 hours, a post is likely to be on page 4 or 5 at least, providing others with similar items for sale to read your post and adjust their prices to outsell yours. I've had it happen to me several times already. I have no problem with the way that forum acts now. Once you've read a post if you're not interested, don't bother with it again. Let the assigned moderators control their forum.

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It's not the pace of life that concerns me, It's the sudden stop at the end.
 
I think BTTT is effective because many people probably hit the "For Sale" forum not really intending to buy, but just to browse. They hit the first page, maybe the second and move on. It's the same as impulse buys. Everyone wants their stuff to be on the first page, or second at least, for the buyer who just happened to see a deal he/she couldn't pass up.

I don't see what the hubbub is, I say BTTT at will and be appreciative that we have a free venue in which to do this to begin with.

Brandon
 
My problem with if your BTTTs don't work, reduce the price is that I am not selling my work or my knives, but other maker's knives. So if I can't sell someone else's knife is a certain time limit, should I ask them to lower the price? I think not. BTTT helps keep the knives I am selling up there in the public eye.

But if you have to impose some type of limit (why?) why not once every 24 hours? I see people posting BTTTs usually in that time frame.

Sometimes it will be a few days before I can get a BTTT in. Should I be penalized for not lowring the price if no one buys? Who is hurt? Me right?

Most people use common sense when using BTTT, why does it have to be policed??

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Paul
Custom Knife Purveyor
Circle P Knives
 
I agree with DavidB's idea.

Generally lowering the price each times HELPS it sell.
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Like I have said in the PAST: IF YOU WANT TOP $ FOR YOUR STUFF SELL IT ON E-BAY!
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The 'violators' KNOW who they are and they don't care.
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You folks know whick knives I am talking about. These guys will NEVER sell their knives IMHO. If you cheerish the item so much that you don't want to sell it at a LOSS then keep it OFF the FS section. It gets OLD seeing it come back up FS and then BTTT every day.
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A little courtesy goes a LOooooong way.
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IMHO we ALL NEED to get a damn LIFE!
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Like we really need MORE than a couple of knives.
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LMAO.... we need rehab!
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Ray 'md2020'

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If ya wait 48 hours your knife ends up on page #6...I myself dont read past #2 unless im looking for something I see the day before..

But I see your point David,it does get out of hand when you got someone BTTT'n every 1/2 - 1 hour..

I myself when selling QTTT several times a day just to keep it on page one..

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I have no problem with BTTT. If a thread has been visited by me, I just go on to the next one. I have my browser set to display posts from the last 5 days, and I check the for Sale page at least every five days, so I never miss a post. It really isn't that hard to scroll down and avoid posts already visited. A search makes the look even faster.

Leave things as they are. I see no problem with it. Each individual post can scarcely take up very much bandwidth, considering that we have a whole forum devoted to Pictures of knives, and no one has a problem with that taking up bandwidth.

I really enjoy the hunt for a good deal. I even don't mind the posts with headings like "Knives for Sale". Just another way of keeping me on my toes. Who knows what great deal will be hiding in one of those.

Whatever,
Daniel D.
 
I try to avoid using BTTT at all costs. If the subject did not get any interest, I take the hint.

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