Some knive reviewsand thoughts of mine over the years (Busse and others)

I own 1 busse and 2 swamp rats. I love them all and use them all the time. The infi and sr101 both hold amazing edges that stay sharp after many hours of hacking chopping slicing and cutting. I have lots of other knives made of 154cm, aus8, d2, and 5160. none are as easy to sharpen or hold an edge as long as sr101 let alone infi. If i could take any three knive camping i would take a Battle Mistress Ergo, a Meaner Street, and of coure my trusty Swiss Army Knife:D
 
Why did I put Busse in the title, cause it was a review starting out mainly Busse knives, and because I used to own quite few Busse knives. Some of you read more into this than it is. Again, someone writes a review that is not 100% pro-Busse and faithful Busse owners start thinking there must be an agenda or my review is false or BS. It got way out of control in the other forum, and maybe people read into it too much, and then name calling, and false accustation, etc. started. (hec, even had some question my military service and one even imply that I was full of it basically, since nothing gong on in Cambodia since Veitnam days! LOL LOL LOL There is no agenda, it is just a review of the Busses I had and my expereinces with them and some general knife thoughts of mine. Read the post again, if Busse's work for you and you like them, them enjoy your knife. Hec, I even stated in my post that I kept one of the Busses cause I did like it. Never said Busse's could not skin at all, I said I personally found them to be not that effecient compared to other knives I had to do a much better and effecient job. One of the above post asks why a review after all these years? Well, because it is a review after many years! Have not really been on mny knife forums or invovled in the knife community over the last several years, just using the knives. No pot shots at members stating that many Busse owners, as the same with Randalls, are more collectors than hard core users. How many have jobs where they actually carry a large knife with them, or how often do many members take their large knives out in the wilds with them? Some do, but not many. That is why you see so many large knives, Busses and other always being sold that are "unused". Again, nothing wrong with that. Collecting knives or other objects can be a fun hobby and a good way to past the time and make friends. IF someone has used Busse, Chris Reeve, Randalls, Strider, etc. in military wilderness operations would love to hear your reviews and positive and negative comments about the knives as well. Anyway, I don't want to start big arguments, again it is just my thought and reviews. It is what it is. Cheers.
 
Knife choices are as individual as anything else we surround ourselves with. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions. Chad, I used the heck out of that ARK you sold me way back when. I passed it on later so someone else could enjoy it. I am sorry to hear that you no longer find Busse is your do it all blade, but hey there aren't many folks out there who are loyal to one company and one company only.

For those lauding Chad's opinion as "real world info", please be sure you don't mistake that with some sort of gospel truth. Everyone's opinions and usage vary. I know there are some folks that regularly use their Busse knives to dress animals taken hunting (as an example of real world activity). I don't think anyone should take much any company says to heart until they do it themselves or see it done. I still keep a Cold Steel "Proof" DVD around for laughs. I had some way back and they didn't perform to my expectations, so I chucked them. Does that mean I think anyone who has them or uses them are kool aid drinking fanatics, no. They are obviously good enough for some folks or they wouldn't still be in business.

The Busse enthusiasts are probably hard to take for some, but it is they way of things. No one is forcing anything on anyone.
 
Right on. To each his own. The strength of this forum is that you can express any opinion you want, and hopefully will not be crucified for doing it.
 
This type of name calling seems to be the norm here of late. I see nothing in LP's post that would disaparage any companies knives. He wrote about his experiences with different brands and how they worked for him. Jungle living and survival seems a whole lot different to me than using a knife for skinning an animal. I have some fixed blades I really like but then again I don't live/work in a jungle environment nor do I go to far and exotic places. Just his opinion and we should read it as such. keepem sharp
 
My .02
Have used Busse's from Central America to the Middle East. Never had one NOT do what I asked it. I can't say that of several other manufacters but you get what you pay for. NO knife will do 100% of everything 100% perfect. The goal is to find the best compromise and then get it. The reason there are so many people making knives is because there are so many people that want DIFFERENT things from there knives. Personnally I DO think you have an "agenda". Facts pretty much speak for themselves. If you don't like the knives, don't buy them and drive-on, otherwise it WILL appear you have an axe to grind. Let's see what road is taken.


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Flatlander, good to see you again and hope you are enjoying your retirement.

No agenda again. To write some thoughts about a knife and why it did not work for me is not an agenda but a reivew. If I would have wrote about how I bough a bunch of Ka-Bars, personally found them to not be all that cracked up as to what I thought they would be, and decided to sell them off. Would there be a big uproar from all the Ka-bar owners? Busse works for some, for others they do not work. Some like them and the Busse Lifestyle,etc.. Others, found others knives to work better for them. Same thing could be said, if you have a Busse and like it and don't agree with my reviews and experience of Busse knives, then just drive on and use your Busse knives. No reason to take your knives so personal.
 
I do find it humorous, that someone has now started a post about my thread in the Busse forums stating that I must have an agenda. How can it be that someone who had Busses 5 years ago and use to like them but then sold them off. Must be an agenda? Or making comments, like The Busse knives work great for me and can not see why they did not work out for Leopard, so Leopard must be lying or have some sort of agenda. Come on guys, just cause a Busse works for you does not mean it will work for all. These are my expereinces. I am sure there are some that have taken knives that I do like out skinning or chopping, and have decided they liked other brands better.
 
leopardprey: Okay. Here we go again. Of course you can have your opinion on any brand of knife you want. But you have made some statements about Busse Combat knives that you seem to want others to take as fact. You state that the Battle Mistress, for instance, doesn't chop well. Compared to what? I have found it to be an excellent chopper. I have used and abused my knives on ventures all over the western US and they do an excellent job for me. Sure there are others that could perform just as well. That is the great thing about having choices. But to say that Busse knives do not cut or chop well is an opinion. Your opinion. Plenty of Busse users can attest to the performance of their knives. And many of us have done mods and reprofiled our blades to be more effecient for our specific needs. You might try that.

Now I need to add this because you keep throwing this out there. And this is in now way meant as disrespect to our men and women that serve in our armed froces to protect us. But the fact that you served in some capacity in the military in no way gives you some special qualification above and beyond the rest of us. Chopping, prying, and cutting are the same every where. Sure the mediums may change but that's about it.

As far as members on the Busse forum being a "Cult"... not really worth commenting on. I would rather just focus on the knives.

I am sorry if you had any falling out with Busse forum members or if the knives did not work well for you. But you do sound pretty critical of the knives and their owners. I hope you find what you are looking for.
 
leopardprey said:
I do find it humorous, that someone has now started a post about my thread in the Busse forums stating that I must have an agenda. How can it be that someone who had Busses 5 years ago and use to like them but then sold them off. Must be an agenda? Or making comments, like The Busse knives work great for me and can not see why they did not work out for Leopard, so Leopard must be lying or have some sort of agenda. Come on guys, just cause a Busse works for you does not mean it will work for all. These are my expereinces. I am sure there are some that have taken knives that I do like out skinning or chopping, and have decided they liked other brands better.
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I think it is how you word things. Your tone sounds critical beyond just an "opinion" . And to classify those who own and use Busse knives as being "cultish" .... well you figure it out.
 
im parachuting in to the amazon later yesterday with only a fatty game warden.

once ive hacked my way out, made clothing with the skins of various indigenous animals and plants, and lost some weight, ill be back to post.




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You guys are killin me. Reminds me of the Hibben post. A fella writes about the Hibben Rambo knife and everyone jumps down his throat and calls Hibben all sorts of names. This is bordering on the sophomoric. You guys take your toys way to serious. Don't like the post don't respond and don't read it. Same thing goes with CS posts. Everyone jumps on the band wagon whether they own one or not. I thought this post was good. LP seems to have a ton of experience on his side, way more than most of us arm chair commando's. Beats me but I think you all have an axe to grind just cause someone says his Busse didn't work out for him and Beckers did. I happen to like CS products especially there fixed blades. Don't read much into there advertising hype but do find it entertaining. Nough said. keepem sharp
 
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bearcut said:
Leopardprey,

Thanks!

It's really refreshing to hear real world information about a knife instead of hype.

Your comments about the culltish nature of the Busse owners is spot on. It is a major reason I decided not to buy a Busse, {that ,and the fact the waiting time for a smaller model takes forever}. Still I kept wondering if I was missing out on the consummate bush knife. You just answered my question.

I also appreciate not reading the words 'oink' and 'drink', when describing the Busse experience....
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Hey Leopardprey please post any Busse Knives that you have on the for sale forums asap . There are plenty of people that would be happy to take them off your hands .Sorry that they didn't out for you .
 
Yes, they are my opinions based on my experiences. Others may have different experiences and some may have the same. No falling out with any Busse members (until maybe now! LOL LOL) Yes, many Busse knife owners are into kind of a Busse knife cult, not a bad thing, just a group of people fanatatical about their knives and with their own private group. I think many of the responses to my post, just prove how fanatical and unobjective some can be with their knives and the attachement with a small group on a forum can be like cult or family. Many people are fanatical about their hobbies or material objects they own and can not understand or fathom why someone else can not see the same. But, lets just discuss knives, if you are really involved in the Busse lifestyle then I hope you enjoy and continue to make good friends there.
 
Agenda's? yup, you gottem. The fact that in all the book you wrote on the survival forum you did not get your point across, says it all. you can say what you want, but there is no doubt in my mind you have an agenda. Anyone who reads all your posts since you have started posting on BF under this name will see that. However, I do feel sad for you as I believe that you have been slighted in the past. Possibly did not get a nice busse that you wanted or seem to not be able to get one anymore so you have to slam a knife with reviews that are no where near true. So I will pray that you get the busse you really want:D

But lets assume you have no agenda, then lets talk knives. Here is what a real review looks like. Unbiased, both knives doing things, one slightly larger having more force. Hmmm, very fair. There is much much more to come. :D :

Gator97 said:
Hi All,
I guess I won't say anything new, Especially after Cliff's post.

I hope dear reader will tolerate this awfull report, I'm not very good at chopping or reviews either.

Anyways, today just for the testing purpose I've done some chopping with PJ II & BM.
Unfortunatelly I didn't have handy my PJ I & more importantly my Jereboam II, which would be a more appropriate candidate for this task.

I was chopping ribbs (Cow) on the wooden board, U know, helping in a kitchen
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BM had the original edge, since I have used it only once, chopped some wood & although it was still shaving sharp, just couple strokes with ceramic rod + flitz loaded leather, to make things better.
PJ II, I've resharpened once, with my EdgePro, thinned the edge, 2-3 degrees.
I've started with PJ II.
To cut through one bone, with PJ II, I needed 4 hits. After procesing the first bone I've examined the edge. Unfortunatelly it was rolled & chipped in several places. Now, this is my fault too, because I've thinned the edge on PJ II. I've stopped with PJ II at this point & switched to BM.
The rest of the ribbs were processed by BM, 6 of those, to be precise. Whenever I hit with the blade tip, like first 3 inches, it would cut cleanly through the bone & penetrate the board as well. closer to the blade center I needed the second hit.
After every bone, I'd examine the edge. Overall, no chipping, only one place where the edge rolled. I suspect, this one was my screwup too. I hit the bone with the center of the blade, but apparently I wasn't holding the blade horizontally, so the blade tip hit the board & the knive got stuck in the bone, so I had to twist it to pull it out.
When I was done, I've checked the edge. It wasn't shaving anymore. I've used a ceramic rod to restore it. 4 strokes & it was back. Shaving sharp.


I don't think the comparison is quite fair though. BM is heavier, bigger, plus the assymetrical edge IMHO is definitely stronger than PJ II edge.

Overall:
BM was more than impressive
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Don't have much to add to the results above.
I guess, I should say one more big thanks to Mr. Jerry Busse
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I think this an abusive test. IMHO for it's size & weight PJ II did fairly well, & with the thicker edge I'd have the better results.
During the prior tests on the wood, my PJ II was doing very well. No chipping whatsoever, edge holding was good too.

My opinion - BM is a definite winner for heavier tasks, including chopping. Holds the edge better too.
Whenever smaller & lighter knife is more appropriate, slicing for example, (if 7 inch is small
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Wired, already sold off all my Busses except, as previous mentioned the Natural Outlaw Zero Tolerance that I really do like and am quite fond of. Used it many times. Will never sell that one.

Uncle, that is a very nice collection you have. I wished I would have bought one of those AK47 swords when they were for sale, especially if could have gotten it with a little longer handle and blade.
 
Cobalt, from your post it is you I think that has an agenda and a Axe (Pauls Hatchet? LOL ) to grind and have taken my comments about Busse knives too personal. How can you state my opinions or expereinces are not true? Just cause a knife fits your needs and works fine for you does not mean it will work good for everyone else. There are many others who have used Busses or other brands that ended up not liking the performance and have sold them off as well. Yean, I could not get a Busse I wanted, so I decided to sell off all my Busses except on and decided to start an agenda and write a review on the Battle Mistress stating that I found other large balded knives to better suit me. LOL LOL As for a review and why I posted this thread, was another Busse owner asked me to explain in more detail which Busse BM I used, why it did not work for me, and what I found to work better. I did that in the first paragraph of this thread. My LTC Khuk and HI Khuk worked better for me and performed better FOR ME, than the BM. The Al Mar I had also did not work well, so sold it also. Just cause a review is not positive towards a specific Busse and another knife comes out ahead, does not mean it is a bad review. Just different from your opinions.
 
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