Some master kamis make guns!

Rusty and Bill,

We are experiencing a steady decay of the moral and social fabric of our society. I began my career in the ghetto of a large city. I lived in that decay for 4 years and watched it gradually spread outward and begin to envelope the "good" neighborhoods. Now that I am working in a much more friendly enviroment the decay is not as evident but it continues nonetheless. The causes are countless. I don't know what the answers are. The best we can do now is to live morally, ethically and with honor. We try to pass these things on to those we know and meet and try to bring our children up with these same values. We must become more self sufficient and be prepared to take care of our own because there is noone else who can do it for us. The government is not your friend and is part of the problem. I pray that our society is not destined to destroy itself but the more I witness the more I believe it is so. Try to turn that bitterness into constructive energy. Perhaps if enough of us do our part we can turn things around. My chronic realism prevents me from believing this but it will not prevent me from trying.
Mike
 
Sobering thoughts, Mike, but I'm inclined to agree. I know I am going to rile up some youngsters when I say this but I think our country would be better off if we had another depression like the 30's and another war like the 40's. Events such as these fix focus and pound in a sense of values.

Uncle Bill
 
There are few left who take responsibility for their actions and there is a whole segment of the population who don't even know how to.

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JP
 
John, I agree. I and those of my generation who grew up during the '60s, hippies,acid, and flower power rejected the old child rearing practices from the Iowa corn belt, which did have their problems. Unfortunately, we abandoned an imperfect system without anything to replace it with. Anarchy and anything goes. Now our children, who don't have a clue, are parents of teenagers who couldn't care if you gave them a clue. Deniability instead of responsibility even at the presidential level ( another of my generation ). On the other hand, this has been going on since before the Medes and the Babylonian empire...
 
About half of my guns have no serial number and it's perfectly legal. Before the 1968 Gun Control Act serial numbers were not required; some manufacturers used them and some didn't. Grinding off a serial number is illegal but you don't have to add one if the manufacturer didn't.

The difficulty with the Liberator is because it has no rifling it's classed as a short barreled shotgun by the 1935 National Firearms Act, but you can own one if you fill out the forms and pay the tax and if you live in a state that doesn't ban all NFA weapons. (You might be able to call it an AOW (any other weapon) for less tax than the short-barreled shotgun class; I'm not sure.)

Anybody with a drill can make a gun, and if you live in the US you can legally make any gun you can legally own. There are detailed plans and blueprints for submachine guns posted on the web. Simple firearms can be made very quickly -- for instance, one of the regulars on rec.crafts.metalworking won a bet by making a gun in a couple of hours using only hand tools and an old truck for materials. It wasn't much of a gun but it fired a 45/70 rifle cartridge, hit a target, and won the bet.

-Cougar Allen :{)
 
If you really want to have fun it's legal and very easy to build a black powder cannon.
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-Cougar Allen :{)
 
If you really want to have fun it's legal and very easy to build a black powder cannon.
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-Cougar Allen :{)
 
Waaal, *tar*NATION %#&+! Cougar! I knowed I shoulda sneaked out a few a them thar barrels that wuz layin' out to the hiway jest no mor'n a stone's throw inside the chickenwire. Had riflin' in 'em and everthin. But durn it, nobody nohow told me they wuz blackpowder 'til them navie boys blew up the turret on one'a thur boats, an next thing all three a them barrels was gone. Drat it all to pieces. They stil got a few leetle barrels left laying out thar if you wants to take a look,
tho, Cougar. Ahdunno how big they is, but they mights be 8 or 10 or mebbee 12 inchs. Wisht I'd grabbed me jest one'a them 15 inchs,tho. An they wuz jest downt the way frum my abode! Shoot!!!

Rusty from nexta the HWAAP ( usta be NAD- Hawthorne ).
 
Heh!

Nitpicks
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1. the USS Iowa is armed with 16" guns. I assume thats what you're referring to?
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2. Since the reserve fleet cruisers are armed with 6" and 8" guns, I'm betting that those are the only other calibers we have 'in stock' besides 5". However, we still have the National Helium Reserve just in case of blimp warfare, so who am I to say?
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3. Cougar Allen mentions grinding the serial numbers off of guns. I'm not sure why anyone would even WANT to do that, since 1. it doesn't work and 2. it is, as he mentioned, illegal. (and yeah, I know he was mentioning it as an aside, not advocating the practice. I'm just bored at work
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Mike


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Hey! Uncle Sam!

(_!_) Nyah nyah nyah!

Refund! You lose! :)


 
Mike, I think we are all bored at work today and that most of us have the after-the-tax-deadline blues.

Uncle Bill
 
Coronach: will have to recalibrate my eyeball. If you say they were 16", no doubt that's what they were. Far as the "leetle bitty" ones left, they are definitely much smaller, so 8" sounds right that way too. Pull over just south of the railroad tracks and look for yourself. Even if they're only 5 or 6 inches, they'd still make good plinkers. (See how playing with khukuris makes other knives and things look so much smaller by comparison? I now think of my 14 oz 17" chainpuri as a delightful little toy)
 
'South of the railroad tracks.' I'm in Columbus, OH. I assume the tracks you refer to are rather far away from me.
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Bremerton?

And don't let my sig file fool yah. Yeah, I got money back. But its more of a moral victory than anything else. See also FullerH's post on the community forum if you are still jealous.
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Mike


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Hey! Uncle Sam!

(_!_) Nyah nyah nyah!

Refund! You lose! :)


 
Actually, Mike, Hawthorne, Nevada is a little town 70 miles from anywhere. It's 70 miles south of Fallon (NAS-Fallon is current home of Top Gun and the last stop before an air group rotates onto a carrier). It's 70 miles northeast of the east gate of Yosemite. It's at the southern end of Walker Lake (the northern end of the lake holds the reservation that gave birth to the Ghost Dance of the 1890's that wound up leading to the massacre at Wounded Knee). It's main claim to fame is that it sits inside (sur- rounded on north, east, and south sides)the largest ammunition depot in the world. One of the few benefits to living here is that we are a hundred thirty miles from Reno, so that's close enough our mail gets canceled there. If I call Uncle Bill on Monday morning, he puts the order in the mail Monday afternoon, and I can pick my new toy up at the post office around 9-9:30 Tuesday morning.

The railroad tracks I referred to are the ones crossing the highway from the railroad barn to the rest of the base. Go up Lucky Boy pass toward Aurora and Bodie (ghost towns) and you can see ammo bunkers covering the whole valley except for the town. No, we don't house nuclear weapons (officially) and we have never had nerve gas either. At least that's what the press release said as they were hauling the leaky containers out by air.
 
So that's where Top Gun went. I lived in Miramar when they moved out. I'm gonna miss those fly boys with their "my other car is a F-18" license plates.

We still have the SEAL teams, with their team stickers on their cars.
 
As a matter of fact, one of my friends (Tribal Social Worker) on the Rez has a couple of friends he shoots with who may have webbed feet. I've been meaning to take a day and run up there when I get my 12 and 15 inch Sirupatis back from Cliff, and leave maybe 7 or 8 khuks for him to show them sometime when he knows they're around. ((On getting those sirupatis back, I also believe in Santa Claus, the Great Pumpkin, and the Tooth Fairy too!
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Russ

[This message has been edited by Rusty (edited 23 April 1999).]
 
OK TALLWINGEDGOAT, here's the deal (or your military at work). All the NAVY squadrons including "Top Gun" went to NAS Fallon, that used to just be "Strike U". The MARINES moved all their West Coast F/A-18 squadrons to NAS Miramar from MCAS El Toro. At the same time they moved their helo squadrons from MCAS Tustin which was just down the street, over to MCAS El Toro because it was now empty (and they have the premier O'Club that all the influential retired types who live in Orange County go to). The cost: untold millions, total confusion, no change whatsoever in deployment capabilities, and a lot of pissed off Navy fighter types who had to move to sandland from 72 and sunny San Diego. RUSTY, somewhere I still have my old bombing profile kneeboard cards for Bravo 2 impact site, NAS Fallon. I knew Fallon when...how's all that for non khukuri info?

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