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Some Schrades in the book
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....am I missing the point of this forum now?...what does one do obtain Schrade knives ..take photos of them for a book...and get rid of them as fast as you can....that is not what I call a 'Collector' posting in a 'Collectors Forum' that is what I call bordering on being a Dealer in my own personal view. Somebody care to set me right...us Colonials tend to say it like it is...often without the niceities... Hoo Roo
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Larry, I did send a private email to him explaining the rules of Blade Forums. Mr. Voyles makes his living in the knife industry, so is considered a dealer. We are not allowed to post knives for sale here. We are not allowed to post links to our own eBay or other auctions either. Mr. Voyles, a licensed auctioneer, evidently was not aware of this policy, but is now. He is also a collector of knives himself, though I am not sure whether or not he collects Schrades. I seriously doubt that he bought an example of each knife just to write his book. I'm the only one here foolish enough to do that! However, I am also an accumulator and have not sold even one knife so far. Just ask my wife. And while you are at it, explain to her why I need a dozen 15OTs, two dozen 152OTs, and a dozen 165OTs, ten LB7s, and what packs of antique razor blades and an electric vegetable peeler have to do with writing a book.
Michael
PS - Did I ever tell you about "Pinky the Peeler"?
Michael
PS - Did I ever tell you about "Pinky the Peeler"?
"Pinky the Peeler" was the knickname of my first girlfriend Codger...2 drinks and she felt it..3 anyone could!...now you tell me your story mate..dont tell me 'Pinky' left Oz and went to Tennessee....she was never short of very close friends......
Waynorth...I still love you mate..you can do no wrong in my eyes..anyone with a Schrade collection like you've got always has my undivided attention.
Seriously I have registered with photobucket have my photos ready for a breathtaking knife story on here and I dont know what to do from there,can you tell me in words of one syllable exactly what I do. They are sitting in 'My photos' in my PC. Thanks and Hoo Roo
Waynorth...I still love you mate..you can do no wrong in my eyes..anyone with a Schrade collection like you've got always has my undivided attention.
Seriously I have registered with photobucket have my photos ready for a breathtaking knife story on here and I dont know what to do from there,can you tell me in words of one syllable exactly what I do. They are sitting in 'My photos' in my PC. Thanks and Hoo Roo
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Well, shucks Larry; errr. . . . glad you like the knives.
Photoshop: Go to "my album"; you left click browse, then find and left click the pic you want and click "open". Then you hit upload on photoshop. Don't disturb it till it announces "upload successful" or some words to that effect. It should appear as a thumbnail in your album.
Open a second browser, go to BF, and the thread you want to post in.
I always "go advanced" 'cause it works better. Write your post; hit "enter" to start a new line. Bring up photoshop on the other browser, and highlight the url of the picture in the first line below the pic, then hit ctrl-c (copy it). Go back to your post, and click the little yellow "landscape" icon just above your post. place your cursor in the space that opens, and hit ctrl-v to paste it in, and hit OK. You should wind up with your picture's url, bracketed with
Photoshop: Go to "my album"; you left click browse, then find and left click the pic you want and click "open". Then you hit upload on photoshop. Don't disturb it till it announces "upload successful" or some words to that effect. It should appear as a thumbnail in your album.
Open a second browser, go to BF, and the thread you want to post in.
I always "go advanced" 'cause it works better. Write your post; hit "enter" to start a new line. Bring up photoshop on the other browser, and highlight the url of the picture in the first line below the pic, then hit ctrl-c (copy it). Go back to your post, and click the little yellow "landscape" icon just above your post. place your cursor in the space that opens, and hit ctrl-v to paste it in, and hit OK. You should wind up with your picture's url, bracketed with
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If you like formal directions. It has pictures some folks may want to print out and look at.
http://tutorials.photobucket.com/tutorial_3.html
This link teaches you how to upload images from your computer to photobucket.
http://tutorials.photobucket.com/tutorial_74.html
This link teaches how to select the correct code to place the image into a forum post, web page, or email.
http://tutorials.photobucket.com/tutorial_75.html
This is just more of what was started in the above tutorial.
Good luck. I know computers pretty well, and the image thing took a little patience on my part.
http://tutorials.photobucket.com/tutorial_3.html
This link teaches you how to upload images from your computer to photobucket.
http://tutorials.photobucket.com/tutorial_74.html
This link teaches how to select the correct code to place the image into a forum post, web page, or email.
http://tutorials.photobucket.com/tutorial_75.html
This is just more of what was started in the above tutorial.
Good luck. I know computers pretty well, and the image thing took a little patience on my part.
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I am in somewhat of a quandry here. I posted primarily to show a few knives that I thought the fourm might enjoy. ie. the 41OT and the 858 yellow with the hardhat are not exactly common.
I didn't link to my website, so it was not a blatant commercial attempt if I were dealing directly, although I do see how it could be preceived that way. I know no one wants to see every modern and Chinese schrade put up on Ebay linked.
I do not collect Schrade, although I do lay back a few of everything. (My purest collection is cutlery catalogs actually--never sold one unless it was a duplicate in 30 years).
In particular I handle a lot of estates of collectors, and the family gives the knives for me to auction. I do take a percentage, as do all auctioneers, even those e-guys. Sometimes those collections have some lesser seen Schrades. (such as the 41OT).
So you tell me what I should do as I see here are the options?
1. Don't post anything.
2. Post, but don't tell anyone that they might have a chance to bid on the knives I post.
3. Wait until after the auction and post them?
I certainly do not want to flaunt rules--I play by the book when I can. Some feedback on this particular thing would be appreciated though.
Thanks,
Bruce Voyles
I didn't link to my website, so it was not a blatant commercial attempt if I were dealing directly, although I do see how it could be preceived that way. I know no one wants to see every modern and Chinese schrade put up on Ebay linked.
I do not collect Schrade, although I do lay back a few of everything. (My purest collection is cutlery catalogs actually--never sold one unless it was a duplicate in 30 years).
In particular I handle a lot of estates of collectors, and the family gives the knives for me to auction. I do take a percentage, as do all auctioneers, even those e-guys. Sometimes those collections have some lesser seen Schrades. (such as the 41OT).
So you tell me what I should do as I see here are the options?
1. Don't post anything.
2. Post, but don't tell anyone that they might have a chance to bid on the knives I post.
3. Wait until after the auction and post them?
I certainly do not want to flaunt rules--I play by the book when I can. Some feedback on this particular thing would be appreciated though.
Thanks,
Bruce Voyles
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By all means, keep visiting and posting! We always enjoy seeing good pictures of Schrade knives, even ones some of us have multiples of. Like that uncommon 41OT. For the longest, everyone thought they were carbon steel blades. Then it was noticed that there was an SS stamp on the tang opposite the maker's mark. Since then, we've looked for one without the stainless blade. Can you give us a better look at the 858?
I guess to be most correct on proceedure, you should contact the site administration and get it from them directly as to what is proper and not. Cougar Allen, and Gus are great guys who allot us bandwidth even though our corporate sponsor is long gone. Most of the manufacturer's forums do, I believe, have sponsorship from the manufacturer, and also active moderators who keep us in line while providing information.
Michael
I guess to be most correct on proceedure, you should contact the site administration and get it from them directly as to what is proper and not. Cougar Allen, and Gus are great guys who allot us bandwidth even though our corporate sponsor is long gone. Most of the manufacturer's forums do, I believe, have sponsorship from the manufacturer, and also active moderators who keep us in line while providing information.
Michael
G'Day Bruce, It would be great if you would visit now and again and answer some of our unanswered questions for free without buying the book. We all share all available information here for all our mutual benefits.
For example there is a question I have at the moment which remains unanswered The Scrimshaw equivalent of the 510OT. We all know it is associated with the President Series however it was appearantly produced with 2 Rams Fighting in addition. Do you know when it was produced and with what series as it was not part of The Great Outdoors Series. Relative Rarity.?
If you are too busy to answer or consider my question rather mundane I will of course understand...
I think its great you drop in from time to time...without looking for reward..Hoo Roo
For example there is a question I have at the moment which remains unanswered The Scrimshaw equivalent of the 510OT. We all know it is associated with the President Series however it was appearantly produced with 2 Rams Fighting in addition. Do you know when it was produced and with what series as it was not part of The Great Outdoors Series. Relative Rarity.?
If you are too busy to answer or consider my question rather mundane I will of course understand...
I think its great you drop in from time to time...without looking for reward..Hoo Roo
Well here's some information on this particular knife auction site that potential bidders may find informative. I bid on and won two auction lots a few months ago. In one lot was a Schrade 275 NKCA Stag clasp knife and a Parker knife. The Schrade knife was described as Mint. It was NOT mint due to some areas of black spotting on the blade, and an area that I can only describe as a very large smudge comprising about half the surface of the back of the blade. The Parker knife was not Mint either due to the scratches I found on the blade. Of course if these knives were released from the factory with these deep scratches, smudges, and spots I guess they would be considered Mint, but I've purchased many knives of these brands and they just don't come out like these.
This particular lot was shipped to me thusly: Both knives were placed into ONE zip-lock bag without any kind of wrapping or padding, or anything to prevent the knives from banging into each other during shipping, not even a paper towel.
I called the owner of the auction site and basically was blown off. He was apparently in a hurry to do something, and did not feel like addressing my issues at that time. Well I took my lumps, but I won't soon buy another knife from this person. That is unless it freezes over way, way down there...
I know that his company has been in business for many years, and I'm sure he has some satisfied customers, but I'm not one... Keep in mind that if it happened to me, it could happen to you. Buyer beware, be very wary.
This particular lot was shipped to me thusly: Both knives were placed into ONE zip-lock bag without any kind of wrapping or padding, or anything to prevent the knives from banging into each other during shipping, not even a paper towel.
I called the owner of the auction site and basically was blown off. He was apparently in a hurry to do something, and did not feel like addressing my issues at that time. Well I took my lumps, but I won't soon buy another knife from this person. That is unless it freezes over way, way down there...
I know that his company has been in business for many years, and I'm sure he has some satisfied customers, but I'm not one... Keep in mind that if it happened to me, it could happen to you. Buyer beware, be very wary.
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If you purchased them through paypal I suggest you put in a claim that goods were not significantly as described. I really dont know how successful you would be in ultimatley making a claim but it would certainly hassle the seller and hopefully make him think twice about doing it to somebody else.
That is a real problem with knives so much can easily be hidden it a photo, I have also been burnt a number of times. I often wont buy if a seller cant use a camera properly.
That is a real problem with knives so much can easily be hidden it a photo, I have also been burnt a number of times. I often wont buy if a seller cant use a camera properly.
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AS someone who both buys and sells on Ebay I do the following.I don,t post about anything I have for sale or am about to sell.I am a gold member and I think it would be ok but I don't feel comfortable doing it.As for things I am buying if someone asks about something I am bidding on I generally drop out as it only raises the prices to usually above what the knife is worth.I hope you continue to post because you may be able to fill in some gaps we have in history and model numbers.Everyone here does a great job but there are still questions on such things as running changes.You said you have a library of cataloges maybe they will help.Arnold
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IT's a little off topic but if I can be attacked I think I have the right to respond.
1. Read the Terms and conditions with anyone with which you do business. We have ours right out there. It is on page 4 of all catalogs, and there is a link on every page of the auction descriptions on my website.
The first line on those terms is "These are the rules that goven this auction. If you do not read them you are still bound by them! Please read closely."
Further on those terms state:
Returns: There is a three day return privilege from the day you receive your winning lots, provided the items are returned to us in the same condition as sent, and also provided that the items are not as described or illustrated."
So when someone says:
"The Schrade knife was described as Mint. It was NOT mint due to some areas of black spotting on the blade, and an area that I can only describe as a very large smudge comprising about half the surface of the back of the blade. The Parker knife was not Mint either due to the scratches I found on the blade."
It could have been a simple fix. Just send the things back within the stated time. Auctions with real auction companies are generally consigned items from individuals, collections, and estates. The auctioneer has NO control over the condition of the knives. The family doesn't want the knives back--they want the knives turned into cash. They do not care if the knives are well made, badly made, rusted, smudged, or cracked. As an auctioneer I can only auction them in the condition I receive them--and hopefully describe them as best I can. If I blow it then I refund. I don't know what else I can guarantee.
He wrote: "I called the owner of the auction site and basically was blown off. He was apparently in a hurry to do something, and did not feel like addressing my issues at that time."
Frankly I don't recall the conversation, and my apolgies for anyone feeling they've been blown off--but the policy is pretty straightforward. If the knife is not as described send it back. No problems, no hassle. That doesn't mean I can discount the price (they aren't my knives so I cannot), or can I debate it, nor do I want to take a butt chewing in the middle of a magazine deadline trying to explain factory mint versus mint, versus pristine mint versus "It's not perfect". Just send the thing back.
I describe over 1000 knives in an average auction. I will blow a few. If it is not as described I do not want anyone to keep the knives and be unhappy. That is an insane way to do business. I have customers that have done business with me for over 30 years and even their small purchases over that time has added up to a pretty good sum by now.
I'm not going to risk my reputation over a 15% commission on a Schrade and Parker knife. Again, if the knives were not as described, send them back. If you wonder about the condition we guide by--again those are in the catalog as well.
Read the instructions, abide by what they say, and I will stand behind them.
Bruce Voyles
1. Read the Terms and conditions with anyone with which you do business. We have ours right out there. It is on page 4 of all catalogs, and there is a link on every page of the auction descriptions on my website.
The first line on those terms is "These are the rules that goven this auction. If you do not read them you are still bound by them! Please read closely."
Further on those terms state:
Returns: There is a three day return privilege from the day you receive your winning lots, provided the items are returned to us in the same condition as sent, and also provided that the items are not as described or illustrated."
So when someone says:
"The Schrade knife was described as Mint. It was NOT mint due to some areas of black spotting on the blade, and an area that I can only describe as a very large smudge comprising about half the surface of the back of the blade. The Parker knife was not Mint either due to the scratches I found on the blade."
It could have been a simple fix. Just send the things back within the stated time. Auctions with real auction companies are generally consigned items from individuals, collections, and estates. The auctioneer has NO control over the condition of the knives. The family doesn't want the knives back--they want the knives turned into cash. They do not care if the knives are well made, badly made, rusted, smudged, or cracked. As an auctioneer I can only auction them in the condition I receive them--and hopefully describe them as best I can. If I blow it then I refund. I don't know what else I can guarantee.
He wrote: "I called the owner of the auction site and basically was blown off. He was apparently in a hurry to do something, and did not feel like addressing my issues at that time."
Frankly I don't recall the conversation, and my apolgies for anyone feeling they've been blown off--but the policy is pretty straightforward. If the knife is not as described send it back. No problems, no hassle. That doesn't mean I can discount the price (they aren't my knives so I cannot), or can I debate it, nor do I want to take a butt chewing in the middle of a magazine deadline trying to explain factory mint versus mint, versus pristine mint versus "It's not perfect". Just send the thing back.
I describe over 1000 knives in an average auction. I will blow a few. If it is not as described I do not want anyone to keep the knives and be unhappy. That is an insane way to do business. I have customers that have done business with me for over 30 years and even their small purchases over that time has added up to a pretty good sum by now.
I'm not going to risk my reputation over a 15% commission on a Schrade and Parker knife. Again, if the knives were not as described, send them back. If you wonder about the condition we guide by--again those are in the catalog as well.
Read the instructions, abide by what they say, and I will stand behind them.
Bruce Voyles
G'Day Bruce, That all sounds absolutely fair and I say that as a Professional Auctioneer of 20 years standing here in Oz.
Your Schrade book can only further promote our love of genuine USA Schrade and I for one cant wait to read it particularly with insights from those directly involved. How often do we mean to record history/events and obtain facts from those that were there... and life seems to get in the way and before we know it the participants have passed taking their recollections with them.
You have a tremendous opportunity before you mate.
I trust you will contribute interesting anecdotes on this forum occasionally. Hoo Roo from Oz.
Your Schrade book can only further promote our love of genuine USA Schrade and I for one cant wait to read it particularly with insights from those directly involved. How often do we mean to record history/events and obtain facts from those that were there... and life seems to get in the way and before we know it the participants have passed taking their recollections with them.
You have a tremendous opportunity before you mate.
I trust you will contribute interesting anecdotes on this forum occasionally. Hoo Roo from Oz.
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I have been doing everything in my power to stay out of this one, short of holding my trusty .45 to my head. However, I can no longer hold myself back. If I'm out of line with this post I'm sure someone will let me know and I'll take my knuckle rapping or remove the post or whatever. The cats already out of the bag on this thread anyway. I don't know personally know Mr. Voyles and I don't personally know Ed Edge. However, I have to make the following observations. Assuming Ed's account was accurate (I'm not questioning it; but only he and the seller have first hand knowledge), one would need to know whether this was an isolated handling of a situation or a pattern. The fairness of the refund/return policy might well rest on whether original shipping was refunded, whether original shipping was padded, and who pays return shipping, in a return situation. Most of us have encountered sellers on ebay who intentionally or carelessly overstate the condition of an item. They will cheerfully refund the shipping price if the buyer pays shipping both ways because they have picked up a few bucks on the original shipping and they'll sell the item again with the same description. Moreover, this type of seller knows that faced with paying shipping both ways, most buyers will keep the item unless it is really high dollar. I can't help but notice that the refund is based upon the seller agreeing that the item is not as described or illustrated. That sounds like it could be a real crap shoot. The same guy that called it mint when it wasn't now decides whether or not it is mint. What happens if he still thinks its mint? Does the buyer pay shipping the third time or lose his money altogether? Is this refund policy interpreted to mean that if you bought a Schrade and got a Case its not as described; but, if you bought a Schrade 15OT and you got one, oh well ... . If the buyer calls to try to get some clarification before he sends it back and gets blown off - oh well ... . Again, assuming the facts are as mentioned, anyone who puts three collectible knives unseperated in a zip lock and then puts them in an envelope has no business selling collectible knives or writing books about them, IMHO. I must wonder, is a guy who doesn't collect knives generally and doesn't collect Schrade's specifically really the guy to write the Schrade history? I would much rather read a publication by a guy like Codger who obviously has a passion for the subject and whose time investment in studying the subject is primarily driven by that passion. As to collecting cutlery catalogs, to play the devils advocate, wouldn't a guy whose sole interest in knives was money be smart to collect cutlery catalogs to that he could use them as an appraisal? One thing that shouldn't be overlooked, is that by virtue of Mr. Taylor's current control over the Schrade name and his financial backing of this publication, whatever Mr. Voyles writes is likely to have the imprimatur of being the "official" Schrade history whether so stated or not. Any subsequent publication, seeking to set the record straight or present the history from a different perspective may have a "tough row to hoe." Larry, we in North Carolina and the other southern originals, are also colonials, and like those in Australia we have a hard time "pretending the king has clothes". I would not make a final judgment on any of this until I had met Mr. Voyles personally or at least done business with him. However, I just can't help but play the devils advocate after reviewing the posts from both sides of this argument.
Well here goes-
I try to stay out of these discussions but I find myself reading this forum fairly often, it is too interesting to stay away.
First of all, everyone in business must have a return policy. Would you not agree? If you do agree, would you not think that it would be in the best interest of the seller to make that policy in his/her favor (must of us have dealt with people on ebay and we know people can be difficult). That said, I did not think that Mr. Voyles return policy was that different then any other auctioneer place. As for who pays the return shipping, you are blasting him and you don’t know what his policy is. He might charge them return shipping but you don’t even know. And as for him agreeing to the condition of the knife NOT being mint, “Just send the thing back” or “I'm not going to risk my reputation over a 15% commission on a Schrade and Parker knife. Again, if the knives were not as described, send them back.”
I read about people leaving this forum all the time-“I must wonder, is a guy who doesn't collect knives generally and doesn't collect Schrade's specifically really the guy to write the Schrade history?” This is not the first knife book that Mr. Voyles has written, what do you know about writing a book? If a person is willing to research a topic and put time and effort into it, why question their writing ability, when he has proved himself capable of writing?”
“However, I just can't help but play the devils advocate after reviewing the posts from both sides of this argument.”-Devils advocate??? Who are you kidding, that is about the same as Codger saying that he will give an unbiased evaluation of a new Chinese made Schrade verse a USA made Schrade right after someone asks what it will take for people to accept the new Taylor made Schrades and he post a sign with the word “Hell” written on it and the sign has icicles all over it or when he tells someone to stay away from a certain Chinese Schrade and then admits he has never handled the particular knife that he is telling them to stay away from. It is obvious to everyone that because Mr. Voyles is being back to some degree financially by Mr. Taylor, that you have decided to throw this asinine comments his way. If Mr. Volyes was not commissioned by Mr. Taylor you would have no beef with him.
Well back to lurking and blast away but you will not get rid of me- I’m here to stay
I try to stay out of these discussions but I find myself reading this forum fairly often, it is too interesting to stay away.
First of all, everyone in business must have a return policy. Would you not agree? If you do agree, would you not think that it would be in the best interest of the seller to make that policy in his/her favor (must of us have dealt with people on ebay and we know people can be difficult). That said, I did not think that Mr. Voyles return policy was that different then any other auctioneer place. As for who pays the return shipping, you are blasting him and you don’t know what his policy is. He might charge them return shipping but you don’t even know. And as for him agreeing to the condition of the knife NOT being mint, “Just send the thing back” or “I'm not going to risk my reputation over a 15% commission on a Schrade and Parker knife. Again, if the knives were not as described, send them back.”
I read about people leaving this forum all the time-“I must wonder, is a guy who doesn't collect knives generally and doesn't collect Schrade's specifically really the guy to write the Schrade history?” This is not the first knife book that Mr. Voyles has written, what do you know about writing a book? If a person is willing to research a topic and put time and effort into it, why question their writing ability, when he has proved himself capable of writing?”
“However, I just can't help but play the devils advocate after reviewing the posts from both sides of this argument.”-Devils advocate??? Who are you kidding, that is about the same as Codger saying that he will give an unbiased evaluation of a new Chinese made Schrade verse a USA made Schrade right after someone asks what it will take for people to accept the new Taylor made Schrades and he post a sign with the word “Hell” written on it and the sign has icicles all over it or when he tells someone to stay away from a certain Chinese Schrade and then admits he has never handled the particular knife that he is telling them to stay away from. It is obvious to everyone that because Mr. Voyles is being back to some degree financially by Mr. Taylor, that you have decided to throw this asinine comments his way. If Mr. Volyes was not commissioned by Mr. Taylor you would have no beef with him.
Well back to lurking and blast away but you will not get rid of me- I’m here to stay