Some Schrades in the book

JT, I don't think anyone is asking anyone to leave. And I have no intention of blasting you for expressing your opinion. If you disagree with my reviews of the Taylor knives, buy them and review them yourself. As I have honestly stated, the few I have examined and compared side by side with Schrades were of poor quality. I explained the flaws in detail. And no, I do not intend to purchase and collect them. Some were sent to me by others to review. Some were "oops'd" on eBay by myself and others. A couple were given to me by collectors who just wanted them out of their house, for whatever their reason. But I am yet to examine one which was of good quality. I have also stated that I would not be at all surprised if the quality improved. And even so, to me they will not be Imperial Schrades, and I clearly stated my reasons for thinking that way.

Michael
 
As packing has been mention just thought Id mention what I do!
When packing I take knife out of sheath so the press stud does not mark handle, then I rap knife with paper towel, then put multi layers of bubble rap over knife, then put knife box in another box to protect box, then pack 1st knife box internals to make sure it is not crushed, then I cover knife sheath with bubble rap, then I pack around 1st knife box, sheath and the knife to ensure they dont contact with each or move around in box while in transit and more if necessary.

I had one 3 peice collection sent all three Schrade knives fell out of there felt lining with blades out and bounced around in transit chopping into each other. Ahhhhhh
I just try to:
Do as you would be done by !!
Thats all
Tim
 
Yes Tim, there is a right way and a wrong way to pack something that should be well protected against the rigors of the shipping process. Why someone would just dump knives into a baggie is beyond me. It's OK, I've moved on, but I vote with my dollars, as they say...
 
This post is primarily in response to JT64d's post. Let me say at the outset that I am not interested in seeing you go away and I sincerely hope that you will continue participating and posting your true opinions whether I agree with them or not. What do I know about writing books? I have published quite a few books some of which are in the Library of Congress. I am also the head trustee for a fairly significant private antiquarian library. So, I know quite a bit about writing and publishing books and a little about collecting and caring for the valuable ones. I specifically said that I would NOT judge Mr. Voyles without meeting him or at least doing business with him. That said, I stand by my comment that anyone who prepares collectible knives for shipment in the manner described has no business selling collectible knives or writing about them. I have been mailed collectible knives from sellers who didn't know beans about knives that were really well packaged because the seller cared and used a little common sense. As to your remarks about Codger. I have had enough interaction off forum with him to have a pretty good bead on him. He has the character and the intellectual discipline to do a fair review of any knife. His reviews of the Chinese Schrades have not been broadstroke slams; but, rather have detailed the specific flaws in the Chinese knives particularly in comparison to the Schrade U.S.A. knives they are copies of (isn't that how you would evaluate a copy?). I don't have a beef with Mr. Voyles, personally. However, all of this leads us back to what I believe is one of the key issues. A book about Schrade knives, particularly a book that may have the impriumatur of the Schrade name, should be about more than models, manufacturing dates, and production numbers. There is a "between the lines" subjective story about the men who made these knives and the men who used them which took place within the context of the nationwide loss of a way of life and really the soul of a country. The Schrade history didn't take place in a vacuum. It took place within the context of globalization and the virtual loss of individual self sufficiency and freedom. Additionally, one can not look at the history of Schrade or Buck or Camillus or any of the other older knife companies and not see how interdependent they were to the point of almost being incestuous. What has happened to Schrade has happened to a whole industry and to a whole country. While a Schrade history book may not be the place to explore all these issues, I believe if such a book is written by a man who lacks the subjective understanding of all these issues, it will be form without substance. Mr. Taylor's sponsorship is irrelevant other than the fact that it ups the ante on the importance of this book because it has the effect of giving the book an official imprimatur. No doubt, a collectible knife is a commodity. However, someone who only sees them as commodities can not have the understanding of the thinking of a collector or a consistent user of these knives and can not therefore write a book which embodies these critical subjective understandings.
 
Gentlemen,

I am really enjoying these posts about what the book should or should not be and my qualifications for writing it. I have been writing knife books and or/editing knife publications since 1976, a member of the Cutlery Hall of Fame since 1994. The ABS Hall of Fame inducted me into their Hall of Fame a few years later.

I authored the first 8 editions of the Official Price Guide to Collector knives beginning in 1976 (and ghosted the 9th edition for Jim Parker as well)--and also did three pocket guides during that time. Plus two editions of the ABCA Price Guide to Antique Knives and the IBCA Price Guide to Commorative Knives. Ken Warner and I co-authored Knife Digest 1.

As for any Schrade tie in, in 1977 I first had dinner with Uncle Henry Baer. I have walked the old Canal Street Ulster plant with Dave Swinden and rummaged through the Walden Library in the 1980s.

When the State of New York used an archelogical dig in the Walkill River for cutlery pieces down stream from the old New York Knife Co. building they used my writing as the historical text for the book.

Under my publishing company I was responsible for the publishing of The Complete Book of Pocketknife Repair, the Directory of the Knifemakers Guild, and How to Make Folding Knives among others.

Oh yeah, and I also edit the knife entry for the World Book Encyclopedia. (My Mom sold World Book in the 1960's when I was in elementary school and she is especially proud of that--and I like the $75.00 it paid too!)

I paid a bit over $35,000 for pieces from the Schrade Factory Collection in 2004-5.

So perhaps I have punched my ticket for admission to the knife book writing game. I'm not sure since Bernie Levine has been more prolific of late but other than him (and maybe him too) I have written more books on knives than anyone.

But here is my theory on knife books.

1. Buy every knife book you can, because you might pick up a tidbit that you didn't know. From books you get knowledge--by not buying books you do not get as much knowledge --and we all know the opposite of of knowlege is ignorance.

2. But having said all that there is one other major, most important point.
If you are unsure about a book, pick it up, thumb through it, and IF YOU DO NOT LIKE IT--THEN DON'T BUY IT.

We don't live in a perfect uniform world in which everything comes out perfect, ideal, and is the right fit for everyone. The only thing any author can do is put is effort out there, and hope enough people do like the effort to repay the author a bit for the expenses and time.
 
Sounds very impressive !! Kinda way off the point though ?? Thats how it is for me and maybe for others also. Why ?? Im really surprised you have not confirmed or denied the following earlier quote as below? Does this matter ?? Sure does !! I would just like to hear your reply on it. Thanks Tim.

This particular lot was shipped to me thusly: Both knives were placed into ONE zip-lock bag without any kind of wrapping or padding, or anything to prevent the knives from banging into each other during shipping, not even a paper towel.
 
IMO, you should take your review of Mr Voyle's business to "The Good The Bad and The Ugly" forum section. It's not relevent to the history/future of Schrade knives or the upcoming book.

-Bob
 
Unfortunately this thread has already started here and many people will read here and Mr Voyles should have the opportunity to reply here and it is relevant to the sale of his book.

Tim
 
Don't you think this horse is dead yet.I'm much more interested in Mr.Voyles knife knowledge than the way one poster said he shipped knives.We will never know.Let it be and go on to something else.Arnold
 
Nope, I want to know and since it was brought up anyway i have every right to ask. I happen to agree with Barry E Harris comment as quoted below. If I were Mr Voyles I would definitely be wanting to reply to the following statement.

That said, I stand by my comment that anyone who prepares collectible knives for shipment in the manner described has no business selling collectible knives or writing about them
 
So you tell me what I should do as I see here are the options?
1. Don't post anything.
2. Post, but don't tell anyone that they might have a chance to bid on the knives I post.
3. Wait until after the auction and post them?

Option 3 would be fine, thank you.

This thread has drifted into TGB&U territory....
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Thanks for all the imput I've received in this brief foray in the internet forums.

I think you all might understand why my postings in the future will be minimal if at all.

Life is just to short folks...
 
It was just a simple question? Your silence was deafening !!
As for advertising its not for me to say.
Tim
 
, explain to her why I need a dozen 15OTs, two dozen 152OTs, and a dozen 165OTs, ten LB7s, and what packs of antique razor blades and an electric vegetable peeler have to do with writing a book.

Michael

PS - Did I ever tell you about "Pinky the Peeler"?

Michael,
I'm getting old and my memory is the 2nd thing that went but I'm pretty sure that I could dig at least one thread out of the archives in which you said the 165ot was your favorite fixed blade !!:)
If so,why do you have twice as many Sharpfingers?:jerkit:
Ron
 
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