special forces knives??

USAFSP said:
I have the Besh and it is cool. The side edges don't cut worth crap but the tip is lethal.
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It is kind of imaginative how the grinds swivel to make the tip, but can't you just do the same thing to any dagger if you were to just crack off the tip and sharpen it flat?

-Cliff
 
Cliff I would send you the knife if you wanna test it a bit and write a report on it. As long as you send it back when you are done. LOL E-mail me if you want to do it. Nothing too harsh of course, but it needs to be sharpened anyway so why not give it a work out.
 
I love the fact that they have the freaking NERVE to invoke 9/11 in their knife naming/branding. Just looooowwwww class. Really low.

"The Shadow offers an extended blade length for penetrating Comm-bloc frag vests" (What? We're still fighting the commies? Dang.)

"high tensile aramid composite that is impervious to everything from aviation fuel to Al Qaeda body fluids." (We tested this by getting Osama to pee on them. Don't ask us how we found him.)

Dork Ops indeed. I really do wonder if they're related to EdgeCo. The copy is worse than Cold Steel. And that's saying ALOT.
 
USAFSP said:
Nothing too harsh of course ...
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I appreciate the offer but the entire promotion of that knife is a critism of the fragility of traditional dagger points which are readily broken in actual field use (see reference link above).

Someone needs to get a pass around for these pieces :

http://www.darkopsknives.com/cgisto...up=1&ida=6&idp=3&his=0|3&cart_id=7557373.3024

it makes Carrillo's blades look simplistic in comparison. The copy is pretty amusing in other places especially when the note "...legendary Dark Op's steel". That was sure a rapid rise to legendary status.

-Cliff
 
It takes a real operator to appreciate that level of sophistication. Imagine how outclassed the Swedish Military are with the F1 :

http://www.fallkniven.com/a1f1/f1_en.htm

That just looks like a normal utility knife, how could that possibly serve any "tactical" use. It would be interesting to have the radical vs utility based "tactica" knife designs compared over a range of "tactical" tasks. Assuming a list of criteria can be defined anyway, as there is a massive conflict between designs like the F1/RD7 vs Shadow/Steel Eagle/Silver Trident/Green Beret.

-Cliff
 
I have to get that knife. http://www.darkopsknives.com/cgisto...up=1&ida=6&idp=3&his=0|3&cart_id=7557373.3024
It has a bottle opener!!!!! My search is over. Oh wait. "Aviation fuel and Al Qaeda body fluids".... I am not gay and don't plan on letting one of them spooge on my new knife, however sniffing aviation fuel is fun so it is a give and take thing I guess. "The handles are field replaceable to blend with woodland, desert or black camo schemes" Why the F%^K would I want to change the damn handles? Like out of every part of my gear and body, my friggin' knife handle is gonna give away my position. WTF. These guys are out of control.
 
Okay,
All the knives listed are good knives, but just because you have a long tab doesn’t mean that you get issued a “Rambo” Bowie. Many S.F. guys carry what they sell at the P.X. or a simple Kabar. The Bowie from Cold Steel is about as exotic as it gets in the real world. I have never run into any guys from Bragg carrying Dark Ops Knives. Striders are used but sparingly because they cost too much for what they are going to be used for.
The best advice is not to worry about what other guys carry and get what works best for what you are going to be using your knife for. If a knife cost so much you are afraid to cut open a coke can or cut como wire then you don’t need it.
 
Georgia Guy said:
Okay,
All the knives listed are good knives, but just because you have a long tab doesn’t mean that you get issued a “Rambo” Bowie. Many S.F. guys carry what they sell at the P.X. or a simple Kabar. The Bowie from Cold Steel is about as exotic as it gets in the real world. I have never run into any guys from Bragg carrying Dark Ops Knives. Striders are used but sparingly because they cost too much for what they are going to be used for.
The best advice is not to worry about what other guys carry and get what works best for what you are going to be using your knife for. If a knife cost so much you are afraid to cut open a coke can or cut como wire then you don’t need it.
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Bro I have been yelling that for years. I have been eating dirt for 11 years now and agree with you all the way. Thing is no one here will listen to that. There are a few that understand what you are saying, but with every day comes 10 newbies to this forum who ask the same question over and over again and it sparks the same arguement over and over again. That being said, marketing doesn't help either. A new artsy-fartsy spec-op wannabe knife is made and all the ninjas jump on it. I just post in re-buttal so much because I am stubborn and hope that someday someone will understand. :jerkit:
 
USAFSP said:
Thing is no one here will listen to that.
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It isn't cool to carry what Joe Smith the docker worker uses. You could hardly promote "tacticals" heavily if SEALs used the same knives in "the sandbox" as ordinary guys did for mundane utility work. No mall ninja wants to run around thinking "Yeah, look at this BAD AZZ knife - I'm so a carpenter." This isn't a new arguement, you can read the same nonsense a dozen years ago on rec.knives.

-Cliff
 
How true Cliff, but aren't we supposed to try to promote knowledge here on the BFC? I am a knife guy like you but we are into different aspects of the hobby. While for you it is mostly testing and different kinds of formulas that show data on performance, for me, it is use in some of those environments that they were intended for. You are a tech guy and I am a layman, but we can come to some of the same conclusions. Either way I see there are a lot of new members that have peppered this forum with the same questions I was asking 6 years ago when I joined and 8 years ago when you joined. That is why I keep showing up in these threads, like you, to show some of these guys that it isn't all about the Ti Nitride coatings, and the De-animation blood grooves. There is a method to the madness. It is like walking into a knife store and listening to the guy behind the counter explain the knives but he has no idea what he is saying. Then he tries to sell you a knife and explains all the wrong features and pimps the inflated price. You just wanna smack him but you can't. You just try to help the young lad.
 
USAFSP said:
How true Cliff, but aren't we supposed to try to promote knowledge here on the BFC?
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Sure but some people really don't want facts. If someone wants the fantasy of owning a SEAL knife is he really going to want to know that is a Leatherman that the cable repair guy carries. Plus for every guy like you who describes the practical reality there are dozens of makers promoting extreme types of knives for such use and quite frankly they are spinning a more attractive fantasy. In general if more military people were more vocal on Bladeforums opposing this then all that would happen is that you would drive the majority of those posters to another forum where they would get the answers they seek. Yes Virgina, there are Navy Seals and they all carry Stratofighters.

-Cliff
 
You are right on you thoughts and I guess that is what keeps these companies in buisness. I just like knives that are great on the merits that... Well they are great knives, not because some guy hired a marketing director that can make a knife appeal to a trenchcoat wearing 7th level magic user mall dweller, or an uninformed new knife buyer that likes the add in the magazine with the picture of the SEAL's raiding a small hut in Iraq. None of who have ever heard of, or care about the knife being advertized. I don't know but I rarely see Benchmade spinning tales of thier blades controlling blood spray and being impervious to body fluids. I think Benchmade knows that troops don't use pocket folders and most fixed blades for stabbing and slashing thier way out of an Afgani prison camp. Camillus is another one. Some great models that don't need the hype. Al Mar SERE, yet another great performer. I could go on and on.
 
Interesting..

On the news a few nights ago they had a segment on the ‘shock knife’ www.shockknife.com Basically it’s a training knife where the edge gives you a painful electric shock so that it’s more realistic then a rubber training knife.

They interviewed the Winnipeg Police and they love the thing since with rubber knives during training, officers would tend to struggle more with the perpetrator and his knife rather than disengage and draw their sidearm. After introducing the shock knife to their training, officers disengage much quicker and avoid the struggle and risk of injury from a knife..

This news segment totally reminded me of that joke about bringing a knife to a gun fight.. And it also echos most of what I have read on this forum about knives and knife fighting from military personnel. Sounds like preparing yourself for a knife fight is not worth the time, or money and the Winnipeg Police certainly believe that a gun is more effective.

To make a casual observation, it would appear that knife fighting happens exclusively outside a bar and rarely on the battle field.

Apart form a bayonet here is the knife issued to Canadian Special Operators..
http://www.grohmannknives.com/pages/r3s.html A kitchen paring knife on steroids.
 
Whitehorn, that is very cool stuff there. Good observations. That Grohmann is a nice knife too, but not very ninja-like. LOL I would get one in a heartbeat though.
 
USAFSP said:
I just like knives that are great on the merits that... Well they are great knives ...
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Yeah, and in general I have always found that the people who make the worst knives always have the loudest promotional voices. When you make quality it just speaks for itself.

-Cliff
 
Cliff Stamp said:
Yeah, and in general I have always found that the people who make the worst knives always have the loudest promotional voices. When you make quality it just speaks for itself.

-Cliff
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Very true. :thumbup:

I never see much promoting of ranger knives. And they are some of the toughest knives out there. busse does a little advertising now and then but they never go over board, and they make some of the best damn knives out there.
But the second you but a saw-back, or blood groove on something then it suddenly becomes tactical and cool. In all honesty when the f**k are you gonna have to use a saw back. If you carried a leatherman with a saw like a rational soldier then it would become a moot point in the first place.

And as said earlier there is nothing like whipping out A $60 DOLLAR LEATHER MAN to work on a 26 million dollar peice of machinery
 
Before the Leatherman came along I carried the old stand by Swiss Army Knife and I used it more than anything else. Then once the Leatherman came along I got one of the first ones and it went all over the world with me. In fact I still work for the government and other than my firearms when I go overseas the new and improved Leatherman wave is the first thing I make sure is packed.
Now on the issue of what the elite carry pretty much only the “D” boys, guys from the “teams”, etc. get everything given to them to try out and evaluate. Then you may catch one or two guys with something different rather than the Kabars and Gerbers. But that goes for all of their gear from weapons to commo gear. Like was posted above what do you need a saw on your knife for? If you need a saw use a saw, but then you want look as cool and we all know it is not how well it works best looks the best.
 
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Looks like it'd make a good dildo. Oh that must be why the blood groove facilitates the drawing of bodily fluids. :jerkit:
 
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