Spine whacking? WHY????

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bodog said:
Doesn't matter if simple minded people don't understand. I'm sure people didn't understand what Edison or curie or Franklin or tesla or da vinci were doing, either. They just kept going and disregarded what the simpletons said. Wherever you can, innovate, test, produce. That's what humanity is about regardless of the people trying to shoot them down. Sometimes you win, sometimes you fail, but keep going despite all the naysayers. That's humanity.
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Comparing Edison, Curie, Franklin and -of all people- da Vinci to people who 'spine whack' knives. Okaaay.....

That has got to be a first.
 
Really, out of all this, the only somewhat valid point was the guy who used it to break through a deer bone, guess that would fall under acceptable somewhat hard use. Sliding down a cliff and saving your life?? Stay away from any edge....thats not a knife of course!
 
r8shell said:
Of course manufacturers test their products. I'm sure bike helmets are tested to find out what impacts they can withstand. That's great, but I wouldn't want to wear that particular helmet after it's been tested. I'd buy a new one. This is the difference I see between industrial research & development and a customer whacking his spine.

Asking a potential wife to cook for you is more like a job interview. It doesn't diminish her future ability to cook. (unlike the husbandly-duty tests I have planned)
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Yeah, but we as knife consumers should know without a doubt that most knife manufacturers don't test any of this. They barely test how good their heat treatment is. Most just pump out a product without ever giving it a second thought as to how good their product actually is. People buy the final product and scream about how good it is and then a bunch of other people jump on the bandwagon. Then one guy comes along and is doubtful about how good the product is and proves it's not very good. At least it's nowhere near what the manufacturer claims. Then people complain about the testing, or the methods, or whatever, when in reality, the guy just showed it's really nothing to praise. And he's only testing a function that's demanded. If people want a lock they shouldn't be surprised when someone tests how strong it is. The whole damned point of a lock is to stop the knife from closing due to pressure OPPOSITE the way it's supposed to go and people want and demand that function, otherwise wed all still be carrying non-locking knives. Talk about some hypocrisy. People demand a function and insult the people who show how weak most manufacturers are based on that function because what causes the failure of that function is what demanded that function to begin with.

Most of the guys doing spine whack tests aren't looking to use the knives they test, they're putting their tests on video so people can't call them liars when they prove a certain product sucks.

Yes some of these locks are horrible and people shouldn't rely on them at all. The manufacturer should be liable for a lawsuit if someone got hurt. With others it just simply shows the limits of the product. Nothing more than edge retention tests or corrosion resistance tests or whatever. It's simply "here's how it reacts and you can take from it whatever you want" That's cool.

Most of the guys who say it's retarded to test a knife that way should be saying it's retarded to do side impact tests on a minivan. After all, that minivan isn't designed to be driven sideways and a folding knife isn't meant to have pressure on the spine.
 
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BladeScout said:
Comparing Edison, Curie, Franklin and -of all people- da Vinci to people who 'spine whack' knives. Okaaay.....

That has got to be a first.
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The desire to improve whatever we're interested is nothing to shame. Like I said, knives are just a small blip compared to some of the greater achievements out there but the principle is the same. It's what makes us human. If you don't see the correlation then you're willfully doing it. No one, especially me, said Cold steel or any knife manufacturer who looks at lock strength as a priority, is on the same level as inventing electricity or whatever. I said the same human desire to excel and carve out new innovations in spite of social n'er do wells is a very human trait and is what propels human society.
 
I'm not getting into this ridiculous debate.

I will say only this.
If it's your knife, do whatever the hell you want with it.
If you spine whack MY knife? You get smacked.
 
sharp_edge said:
Are you Demko? :D I can't believe he destroyed two Sebenza's in a few minutes. https://youtu.be/T4DNRn-sK-c
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To be fair those Sebenzas shouldn't have been marketed as having a lock. I'm personally glad he did that and showed that, at the very least, a Sebenza shouldn't be considered as having a lock. That was a very poor showing for someone who invented a mew type of locking mechanism. What's the point of having a lock if it doesn't actually lock the blade in place? They might as well be considered slip joints.
 
bodog said:
To be fair those Sebenzas shouldn't have been marketed as having a lock. I'm personally glad he did that and showed that, at the very least, a Sebenza shouldn't be considered as having a lock. That was a very poor showing for someone who invented a mew type of locking mechanism. What's the point of having a lock if it doesn't actually lock the blade in place? They might as well be considered slip joints.
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What?
 
bodog said:
To be fair those Sebenzas shouldn't have been marketed as having a lock. I'm personally glad he did that and showed that, at the very least, a Sebenza shouldn't be considered as having a lock. That was a very poor showing for someone who invented a mew type of locking mechanism. What's the point of having a lock if it doesn't actually lock the blade in place? They might as well be considered slip joints.
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That is one of THE most absurd things I have heard here on BF.
 
caseknife64 said:
Really, out of all this, the only somewhat valid point was the guy who used it to break through a deer bone, guess that would fall under acceptable somewhat hard use. Sliding down a cliff and saving your life?? Stay away from any edge....thats not a knife of course!
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I thought the deer hunter was battoning, & had misunderstood the topic.
 
mtangent said:
I thought the deer hunter was battoning, & had misunderstood the topic.
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yep good idea for the battoning on a deer I bet that could work. just have to use a big enough knife to get the power. probly a machety would work good for break through that deer bone! thanks buddy :thumbup:
 
sharp_edge said:
Are you Demko? :D I can't believe he destroyed two Sebenza's in a few minutes. https://youtu.be/T4DNRn-sK-c
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Problem is that many folks believe some materials are "exclusive" and for use in "better" knives, especially custom and mid techs - titanium, carbon fiber etc. In fact it's nothing fancy or superrior. It maybe feels good because less weight and that warmth in hand, looking good and expensive when finished properly, but it can't beat tool steel if we're talking about locking mechanism. So it's why some makers or manufactures have steel inserts or carbidized frame lockbar. And what's funny you can finish titanium so it feels like aluminium in hand or finish aluminium like titanium in Sebenza and some people will be struggle if it's aluminium or titanium. One guy told me that aluminium in Code4 feels like ti handle and other told that titanium in his ZT 0450 feels cheap like some alu handle.
 
Moondrop said:
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...-knife-tests)-Realistic?p=1199883#post1199883

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...a-quot-spine-whack-quot?p=3306713#post3306713

Sal Glesser on spine whacking. FWIW.
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Oh well i have spydies and rats and others in my attic, thats why i never buy wally world or any ccheapo knives anyway. A utilitac is my least expensive modern folder, dont see a reason to buy cheaper. if that breaks, looks like I'm gonna need a bigger knife!
 
T.K.C. said:
That is one of THE most absurd things I have heard here on BF.
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Ok. I'm not going to argue. That Sebenza frame lock failed so easily that it should be considered manufacturer's willful negligence. It was so weak that it served more as a spring on a slip joint than a lock. You can watch the video and make your own conclusion but the reality is that it failed way too easily and could not be considered a lock in any reasonable person's mind.
 
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