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OK, let's talk.
Titanium certainly has had the "buzz" for a few years. The "name" being used on everything from electric razors to watches and pens.
The advantages of Titan alloys are many; corrosion resistance, strength per weight, natural texture, good spring tension, the ability to gaul against steel (which aids in locks not slipping), electrical coloring of the material. There are probably some I'm missing.
The disadvantages, if you can call them that are more cost related; high cost of material, machining and finishing costs are higher. Titan does wear more than steel. I don't consider Titan a really good blade material, although in some situations, it works well.
We have no problem with making frame-locks from Chris Reeve. Chris and Ann have given us their blessings and we always give them credit for the lock when we usd it.
The ATR in Titan was well accepted in the marketplace, the reason for disco' was vendor probs.
As far as production, we do have a byrd model with a "Chris Reeve style integral Titan lock" in the works.
We have several integral "Compression lock" designs in Titan, primarily because the Compression lock is so much stronger than an integral "linerlock".
So my first question would be; is it the useage of the material as a "lock" that is desireable? And must that lock be a linerlock style, as opposed to a compression lock style?
Then, is it the use of Titan that is desired, other than as a lock?
The Lum Chinese folder has come up. What other existing designs (or new designs) do you think we would be successful with using Titan?
sal
Titanium certainly has had the "buzz" for a few years. The "name" being used on everything from electric razors to watches and pens.
The advantages of Titan alloys are many; corrosion resistance, strength per weight, natural texture, good spring tension, the ability to gaul against steel (which aids in locks not slipping), electrical coloring of the material. There are probably some I'm missing.
The disadvantages, if you can call them that are more cost related; high cost of material, machining and finishing costs are higher. Titan does wear more than steel. I don't consider Titan a really good blade material, although in some situations, it works well.
We have no problem with making frame-locks from Chris Reeve. Chris and Ann have given us their blessings and we always give them credit for the lock when we usd it.
The ATR in Titan was well accepted in the marketplace, the reason for disco' was vendor probs.
As far as production, we do have a byrd model with a "Chris Reeve style integral Titan lock" in the works.
We have several integral "Compression lock" designs in Titan, primarily because the Compression lock is so much stronger than an integral "linerlock".
So my first question would be; is it the useage of the material as a "lock" that is desireable? And must that lock be a linerlock style, as opposed to a compression lock style?
Then, is it the use of Titan that is desired, other than as a lock?
The Lum Chinese folder has come up. What other existing designs (or new designs) do you think we would be successful with using Titan?
sal
Thanks for your reply and info Mr Sal.
My knowledge of spyderco is limited, although I know quite a bit. So , I will leave deep discussion to the more knowledgeable members.
For me, Titanium says quality.
Frame locks and compression locks are probably the top now. I love lockbacks too.
Titanium frame lock is simple, light and solid.
You are the first to bring ZDP into production along with William Henry , but You made it very very afordable.
If you combine the (hotness( of ZDP and the (hotness) of Ti-framelocks and the (hotness) of the spyderco opening hole,that would be the hottest knife in the market.
Of course , only you know what is possible and what is not at a sertain time at a sertain time at the spyderco factory.
Cheers
Edited to Add: AND the hotness of the Bob Lum design.
My knowledge of spyderco is limited, although I know quite a bit. So , I will leave deep discussion to the more knowledgeable members.
For me, Titanium says quality.
Frame locks and compression locks are probably the top now. I love lockbacks too.
Titanium frame lock is simple, light and solid.
You are the first to bring ZDP into production along with William Henry , but You made it very very afordable.
If you combine the (hotness( of ZDP and the (hotness) of Ti-framelocks and the (hotness) of the spyderco opening hole,that would be the hottest knife in the market.
Of course , only you know what is possible and what is not at a sertain time at a sertain time at the spyderco factory.
Cheers
Edited to Add: AND the hotness of the Bob Lum design.
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I do not really have any interest in Ti as anything but scale material.
A Ti lockback or 2 wouldn't be bad but I really prefer the CRK type framelock as per lock style,with the Ti lock being as thick as it is on Sebenzas.All of my carry has gone over to Sebenzas and most of my collecting to Ti framelocks.
The 2 Spydercos I would most like to see with a Ti framelock is the Military and a G10 Native with a 3 3/4 in blade.
A Ti lockback or 2 wouldn't be bad but I really prefer the CRK type framelock as per lock style,with the Ti lock being as thick as it is on Sebenzas.All of my carry has gone over to Sebenzas and most of my collecting to Ti framelocks.
The 2 Spydercos I would most like to see with a Ti framelock is the Military and a G10 Native with a 3 3/4 in blade.
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Personally, if I were to have Titanium incorporated into a knife, I'd prefer it be as liner material, or handle material. Even then, I would only prefer Ti over steel if it were in a corrosive environment, or if it was intended to be anodized. As an integral lock(frame or comp), Titanium just doesn't appeal to me, but I'm willing to bet it appeals to a lot of others.
Integral locks are highly popular, as is Titanium, so combining the two could be a very lucrative idea.
My only issue is that I don't think anyone really understands how expensive the thicker stocks of Ti currently are. The thickness needed for a framelock or integral comp lock is extremely pricey right now, and very difficult to get.
I wonder if as many people would want it, if they knew that it would end up costing them $300 at least.
Integral locks are highly popular, as is Titanium, so combining the two could be a very lucrative idea.
My only issue is that I don't think anyone really understands how expensive the thicker stocks of Ti currently are. The thickness needed for a framelock or integral comp lock is extremely pricey right now, and very difficult to get.
I wonder if as many people would want it, if they knew that it would end up costing them $300 at least.
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How about a Ti Cricket?
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beera said:That's hardly a TNT or a sebenza. I was thinking something big. Not wee.
How big are you thinking? The bigger it is, the more Titanium is used, and the higher the price skyrockets. There is a point where you'll be paying custom prices for a production piece.
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beera said:
Hmm...
ATR Ti was slightly over $300 if I recall correctly, we'd have to factor in the added cost of the ZDP, so I'm willing to bet you'd be pushing almost $400, since 3.5 inches is a pretty big blade. Then again, putting the holes in the handle probably pushed cost up, so if the Ti was flat slabs, it may drop the cost slightly, but I wouldn't bet on it.
Hey, if people are willing to pay it...
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83mm Manix, done with a 3mm thick blade (ideally damasteel), Ti liners and front bolsters would be nice.
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Not sure if I'd trust Ti as a lockback.
I've personally never seen one, and I'm pretty sure theres a reason for that. Unless I'm mistaken, a Ti lockback would be weaker than a steel lockback, just based on the strength of the materials used.
Sure Ti is plenty strong, but it's got a high strength to weight ratio, which is something many people interpret for high strength. Most steel is always going to be stronger. Especially in a piece of metal as small as a lockbar(which is typically left slightly softer to begin with)
The weight difference would be negligible at best. The lockbar is such a low weight item to begin with, that using Ti for it would be waste of time and money.
If you're going to go as far as a Ti lockback, you might as well do all Ti construction, with Ti pivots, screws, and clip as well. Watch the price really shoot up then
Ti fittings are NOT cheap.
I've personally never seen one, and I'm pretty sure theres a reason for that. Unless I'm mistaken, a Ti lockback would be weaker than a steel lockback, just based on the strength of the materials used.
Sure Ti is plenty strong, but it's got a high strength to weight ratio, which is something many people interpret for high strength. Most steel is always going to be stronger. Especially in a piece of metal as small as a lockbar(which is typically left slightly softer to begin with)
The weight difference would be negligible at best. The lockbar is such a low weight item to begin with, that using Ti for it would be waste of time and money.
If you're going to go as far as a Ti lockback, you might as well do all Ti construction, with Ti pivots, screws, and clip as well. Watch the price really shoot up then
Ti fittings are NOT cheap.smcfalls13 said:
I thought we were talking about the handle material for a lock-back being made with titanium not the actual locking mechanism to. I don't think titanium would be a good choice for the lock either.
Personally, I just really like the idea of a titanium handled lock-back and with a ZDP blade it would add even more appeal to me (S30V would be great to). I'm just not really that fond of framelocks but I do like them much more than liner-locks.
I'm kinda new to Spyderco knives and I must say I'm mucho impressed with Sal!! It's really cool to know he's interested in our opinions! that said, here's some of mine:
Personally I'm a quality nut (I every day carry a Sebbie) I like Titanium because it's 'cool' and also I personally anodized my Sebbie to a really bitch'n shade of purple. (my fav color) I'm looking for a replacement for my Sebenza and here's exactly what I want (actually have started making knives recently with the goal to be able to create my own if it doesn't appear on the marketplace before I develope the required skills) loose the thumb stud. I want a hole! also I'd love to have it in this new wonder steel that everyone seems to covet.
As far as the locking mechanism I could care less, I've used slipjoints for many years, and guess what? still got all ten fingers...some are just a little shorter. LOL. actually I have no preference I like locking folders, but IMHO the lock is only supposed to keep the knife from accidentally closing, not support a humvee.
I'd also like a gentlemans folder something along the lines of the dragonfly done in titanium, and ZDP. (for the sheeple when I'm not at work)
Also while I'm asking I don't paricularly like choils...gets caught when cutting cardboard.
lastly I'm a flat grind man... Only got the Sebbie because I was able to get one of the limited run of flat grind blades.
I also feel obligated to tell you I'm not and probably will never be a collector I only want one of each. Thanks gdwtvb.
Personally I'm a quality nut (I every day carry a Sebbie) I like Titanium because it's 'cool' and also I personally anodized my Sebbie to a really bitch'n shade of purple. (my fav color) I'm looking for a replacement for my Sebenza and here's exactly what I want (actually have started making knives recently with the goal to be able to create my own if it doesn't appear on the marketplace before I develope the required skills) loose the thumb stud. I want a hole! also I'd love to have it in this new wonder steel that everyone seems to covet.
As far as the locking mechanism I could care less, I've used slipjoints for many years, and guess what? still got all ten fingers...some are just a little shorter. LOL. actually I have no preference I like locking folders, but IMHO the lock is only supposed to keep the knife from accidentally closing, not support a humvee.
I'd also like a gentlemans folder something along the lines of the dragonfly done in titanium, and ZDP. (for the sheeple when I'm not at work)
Also while I'm asking I don't paricularly like choils...gets caught when cutting cardboard.
lastly I'm a flat grind man... Only got the Sebbie because I was able to get one of the limited run of flat grind blades.
I also feel obligated to tell you I'm not and probably will never be a collector I only want one of each. Thanks gdwtvb.
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How about a Ti Paramilitary. It's a popular design, already a compression lock so I guess the current blade would work, size is legal in most places.