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Spyder Hole and Benchmade = I'm confused
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There is already one very long thread dedicated to this topic. You would think that would be enough.
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HOLY SWEET CRAP, I can not believe this debate is still going.
What a powerful waste of bandwidth.
What a powerful waste of bandwidth.
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In the other thread, Sal has stated that Benchmade is licensed to use the hole. That should put an end to all the speculation and supposition.
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LOL, just like my HOLY HELL comment...I see your from Jersey, I lived there for 10 years, maybe its Jersey thing, lol...
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But it all shows what we have already. I start doubting my memory. Maybe I read the original patent and mix the "opening" into it. For the moment I have to give up. The one that I remember seeing was also a lot older than 1997.
Well, it is definitely a circular hole in the blade, that much is clear.
Perhaps you are thinking of the patent, it's from '82. There was another trademark application, I think the difference was that is said something about the hole being in folding saws along with knives.
But as Keith said, Sal's posted in the big thread. What a fun thing to come back to on a Sunday after an overseas trip.
On this one particular issue, I'm not on Spyderco's side, but I still think it sucks that there's so much emotion that gets tossed into these discussions on both sides. I know I got caught up in it before, but it's never because of anything Sal says, he's a straight shooter.
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Well, there we have it, this is the reason why I held off before jumping to conclusions. Looks like a nice knife....looks like a Spyderco
Yeah! I have to wonder if Benchmade is going to be changing their motto to, "Make it great, and make it show, just make it look like a Spyderco."
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Not exactly. He said:
"All I can say is that Benchmade and Spyderco have an agreement. Spyderco will honor that agreement."
I'm not sure that's necessarily the same as "licenced"
I really doubt that. It seems to have continued.
David
seriously...
brand loyalty is overrated
it sure as hell wasnt invented for the consumer
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Technically it may not be the same thing, but in the end it means that Benchmade have the right to use the hole, and it was given to them by Spyderco.
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Wrong! Sometimes it is better for one not to say anything, especially if one doesn't have a clue as to what one is talking about.
Starting a post with the words, "My god what a non issue", and then going on to imply that Spyderco (who use the Al Mar/McBurnette "positive front lock", with permission, not a lock back), of all companies, has shown a lack of ethics, in my opinion, does not seem like a very intelligent thing to do.:foot: :thumbdn:
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Actually, most lockback Spydercos actually use a Mar-McBurnette front lock. Although never patented, Spyderco always includes this statement in their catalogs "H. McBurnette and Al Mar are credited with the positive front lock design." making sure to give credit where credit is due. When the correct facts are examined, I don't see anything to complain about.
(oops - 3guardsmen beat me to it.)
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Well..... I think that your argument is flawed. I see where you are going, but comparing the Mercedes symbol to a HOLE doesn't quite hold water. Now if Benchmade was printing a Spyder emblem on their knives, rather than a butterfly, then I would agree. But trademarking a hole? Come on people.
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Well..... I think that your argument is flawed.
But trademarking a hole? Come on people.
Your beef isn't with anybody here, but rather with the United States Office of Patents and Trademarks (http://www.uspto.gov/), because, the Spyderhole IS trademarked!
Now if Benchmade was printing a Spyder emblem on their knives, rather than a butterfly, then I would agree. But trademarking a hole? Come on people.
The Spyderhole was on Spyderco knives long before the Spyder emblem, and almost a decade before Benchmade came to be (back in the "Pacific Cutlery" days)!
What was it you were saying about a "flawed argument"?
"Make it great, and make it show, just make it look like a Spyderco."
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Your beef isn't with anybody here, but rather with the United States Office of Patents and Trademarks (http://www.uspto.gov/), because, the Spyderhole IS trademarked!
The Spyderhole was on Spyderco knives long before the Spyder emblem, and almost a decade before Benchmade came to be (back in the "Pacific Cutlery" days)!
What was it you were saying about a "flawed argument"?
I never said I had a beef with anyone, but trademarking a hole is comparable to trademarking a nail nick.
As far as the hole being in use longer than the Spyder emblem, or before Benchmade was in business, so what? My point is that an emblem is clearly a trademark, whereas a hole in the blade is simply.... a hole.
No need to get so excited anyway, I was just contributing my thoughts on the subject. Put your torch away.
Well..... I think that your argument is flawed. I see where you are going, but comparing the Mercedes symbol to a HOLE doesn't quite hold water. Now if Benchmade was printing a Spyder emblem on their knives, rather than a butterfly, then I would agree. But trademarking a hole? Come on people.
So what your saying is that if benchmade were to have cut out the shape of a butterfly in all their clips or the blade or wherever else that it would be fair game for any other company to use it since it was just a hole?