Spyderco Advocate bearing Race A total Failure..

That SUCKS Daniel!
There is a vid up on YT of a simple fix. Went up this morning. Correct size PB washers did the trick from Knifemakers USA.
 
palonej said:
That SUCKS Daniel!
There is a vid up on YT of a simple fix. Went up this morning. Correct size PB washers did the trick from Knifemakers USA.
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I saw the video. But , my knife is there and I am not getting it back. I have to receive a credit. The sorry thing is that there is no other Spyderco I even want right now.

But, Spyderco continues selling this poorly designed bearing pivot knife.

 
Daniel said:
I saw the video. But , my knife is there and I am not getting it back. I have to receive a credit. The sorry thing is that there is no other Spyderco I even want right now.

But, Spyderco continues selling this poorly designed bearing pivot knife.
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I know it sucks to want to love a knife and have it not work out. It's almost as bad as a failed marriage ;). Try to stay positive as they come to a solution.

I've never seen a production knife company as responsive to their customers as Spyderco. I'm confident that they'll make this right, but "global" design fixes like this take time. There's always been a rumble about Spyderco bearing designs, and I've always been kind of put off by my Southard and Domino as not great flippers (compared to some other truly awesome flippers). I don't think it really got their attention until the widespread failure of the Advocate, but now that it has their attention, I'm confident that they'll get it right.

I was so close to pre-ordering an Advocate but held off because of tight funds around the Holidays. I'm glad I did...BUT...if Spyderco comes back and says that they've designed a fix, I'll be the first in line to pick up an Advocate.
 
Daniel said:
Well, I have to receive a credit for my returned Advocate because "any other one is going to do the same thing"--grinding in the pivot or the detente ball. I am NOT happy in the least.

Until, they completely redesign the bearing pivots on their knives, I would not even consider buying another bearing pivot Spyderco.
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From the posts Sal and TazKristi have made it looks like they're working on it. I hope it all gets taken care of relatively quickly because I want an advocate bad, I'm just holding off until they (hopefully) switch to PB washers in the pivot.


I'd take a look at the whole spydie lineup though if you haven't already. I'm sure there's something there you'd like. I've been buying spydies for over 10 years now. I've bought literally hundreds of spyderco knives, so maybe I'm biased, but the 2017 lineup of knives has tons of awesome choices!
 
palonej said:
That SUCKS Daniel!
There is a vid up on YT of a simple fix. Went up this morning. Correct size PB washers did the trick from Knifemakers USA.
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That's my video. To clarify they are slightly thicker but work great.

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xICEMANx said:
That's my video. To clarify they are slightly thicker but work great.

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Great job on the vid brother!! Your knife seemed to have excellent action!!
Been subbed for some time now and enjoy your channel!
Joe
 
The warranty and repair department is fully placing the blame on people taking it apart and/or negligently or ignorantly overtightening the pivot. They're still looking into it and are covering people but the fact is they don't believe it's a bad design.

I can't in good conscience buy another spyderco knife with bearing pivots. I don't care about bearings too much but if a maker is going to use them they should work like they're supposed to and if other companies consistently and routinely get it pretty right then there's no excuse to buy one from a company who isn't.

Spyderco knives with washers are still pretty good to go though. This isn't a bash spyderco thing. This is a "it's my money and want to spend it on the best I can get for that amount" kind of thing.
 
bodog said:
The warranty and repair department is fully placing the blame on people taking it apart and/or negligently or ignorantly overtightening the pivot. They're still looking into it and are covering people but the fact is they don't believe it's a bad design.

I can't in good conscience buy another spyderco knife with bearing pivots. I don't care about bearings too much but if a maker is going to use them they should work like they're supposed to and if other companies consistently and routinely get it pretty right then there's no excuse to buy one from a company who isn't.

Spyderco knives with washers are still pretty good to go though. This isn't a bash spyderco thing. This is a "it's my money and want to spend it on the best I can get for that amount" kind of thing.
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I don't think that what you are saying is true.
 
Spyderco already said they're looking into the issue. It's been a month. I'm waiting on mail in rebates from companies since November. A month is nothing.
 
That's the issue. They don't think it's a problem. Taken from the other thread posted by Kristi.



We did not tell you that we have to redesign the pivot. We did place the Advocate on hold, briefly, to allow us to evaluate our remaining inventory. Every Advocate currently on our shelves meets specs and performs as designed. Eric himself was involved in this process. We have thousands of flippers in the market that are without issue and provide the high-performance that they were designed to. There isn't an inherent issue with our flippers but we will apply CQI to all of them just like we do with everything we make.

Sounds to me like they are looking into it, but don't think it's an issue with the design.




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I just took the washers out of my mantra and problem solved. If in the future the titanium wears down to a point there is blade play then I will put washers back in. I have several other bearing knives that ride on the titanium surface without the paper thin washers and have never had an issue with any of them and some of them are ceramic bearing which is even harder than the steel bearings that spyderco uses. My main concern with spyderco is the fact that they switched to permanent locktite. If you want to void a warranty for disassembling a knife fine but dont cause the disassembly to ruin the knife. I wont buy another spyderco until they quit using that garbage. Id venture to guess that the vast majority of enthusiasts who collect knives and buy spyderco products year in year out disassemble their knives warranty be danged. Mess with that at your peril spyderco.
 
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Wow, all three guys who say negative things are already on ignore. How about that?

If you don't believe me call and ask them. TazKristi just said in another thread all advocates sitting on their shelf meet their specs and work as intended.

They say the mantra is finicky and shouldn't be messed with and the advocate, while having thing washers, isn't a bad design and that it's from people overtightening the pivot or taking the knives apart and not putting them back correctly.

My stance is they're knives with a couple of screws. No crazy springs, no complex movements.

Yes, they're working on it but it's not because they feel anything is wrong with the pivot, it's because customers don't know how to put a couple of screws back in correctly after they go against spyderco's advice and take them apart. I can say I didn't take my mantra apart nor did I adjust the pivot until I got fed up with the lousy, gritty action and no amount of washing and oiling it got it to work better.

On the plus side their warranty department kept the knives I sent in and offered me a different knife which I happily accepted. One with washers. They're truly nice people there at spyderco but they do need different bearings.

They said it'd be rolling changes and they're not sure if they'll start with one model or all models and that they'll likely start with the second batch of advocates and they're not exactly sure when that'll be since all the advocates they have in stock meet their specs and the only ones they've gotten back for warranty service have been taken apart.

That's why I say if you have gritty, lousy action on your bearing knives send them in. Hopefully prior to taking them apart even though most of us do that when something is wrong.

I wonder how many people bought one, felt the lousy action and returned it to the vendor who just reboxed and recycled it until it wound up in someone's hands who accepted it instead of returning it to spyderco.
 
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To say that Spyderco does not think it's a probem is simply not true. We've been working on the issue since it came up. We stopped production on the model and we're seeking solutions. It's not the only thing going on at Spyderco and these solutions take time. Seems like those who think they are "in the know" need to know more.

sal
 
Thanks for chiming in Sal. Seems some people spout 'facts' when they have nothing but opinions.
Joe
 
Sal Glesser said:
To say that Spyderco does not think it's a probem is simply not true. We've been working on the issue since it came up. We stopped production on the model and we're seeking solutions. It's not the only thing going on at Spyderco and these solutions take time. Seems like those who think they are "in the know" need to know more.

sal
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Sal Thumbs up on stopping production . I'm a big Spyderco Fan but when you have a product that you know is not working you shut it down and take care of the people that have problems with your product . You don't charge them for it . If it was a car there will be a recall and fix it for free .
 
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palonej said:
Thanks for chiming in Sal. Seems some people spout 'facts' when they have nothing but opinions.
Joe
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It's gonna be another round of passive-aggressive.

This week it's: Oh thanks Sal you're the best.... Next week it's back around we go

Unless the resolution satisfies the one or two, this is going to be brought up for years by them.
 
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