Spyderco Advocate bearing Race A total Failure..

How true SS!!
Been going that direction for a while now brother.
Joe
 
Sal Glesser said:
To say that Spyderco does not think it's a probem is simply not true. We've been working on the issue since it came up. We stopped production on the model and we're seeking solutions. It's not the only thing going on at Spyderco and these solutions take time. Seems like those who think they are "in the know" need to know more.

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Sal, with all due respect (and I do have a lot of respect for you based on how I've seen you handle a bunch of these situations and how you treat people) I never said you guys weren't working to change things, but it was clearly stated by two of your employees that the knives in question are fine until people overtighten the pivot or take them apart and put them back together incorrectly. And as far as rolling changes starting with the advocate, that was stated by both of the employees, one of them here on the forum, so I thought that was OK to say myself. Again, I am sorry if I shouldn't have repeated what I thought was public information. If there is a problem with the knives, Kristi and Charlynn don't know about it yet, I guess. They both obviously know there are changes being made but both say there's no problem with the knives.


Quote from Kristi:

"Every Advocate currently on our shelves meets specs and performs as designed. Eric himself was involved in this process. We have thousands of flippers in the market that are without issue and provide the high-performance that they were designed to. There isn't an inherent issue with our flippers but we will apply CQI to all of them just like we do with everything we make.

Any changes that we make to the Advocate will be part of our CQI and will be rolling changes."

And that same sentiment was repeated by Charlynn. That the knives are fine unless they're taken apart and put back together incorrectly or the pivot is overtightened.

Sorry, but that is the truth of what they said and I didn't change or exaggerate anything. I don't agree that it's user error. I didn't go into any specific details about my knives except to say spyderco stands behind their products and want their customers to be satisfied. If you reread my posts I said nothing that doesn't fall in line with what either Kristi or Charlynn said and I disagreed, with the caveat that your knives with washers are fine (some of the best on the market for the price as a matter of opinion) and that you all want the customers to be satisfied. If there's an actual problem and it's an issue with the design or hardware used and it's of your and Eric's opinions that it's NOT user error, that changes everything and opens up the possibility of buying your ball bearing pivot knives again because that means you guys see it as a problem with the knife instead of the customers screwing them up.

Sorry if you took anything I said as disrespectful. I have nothing but respect for how you deal with people and know I need some of that grace. I'm about as graceful as a bull in a China shop.

Just a suggestion that may not be viewed nicely, make some kind of distinction between the first run and subsequent releases. I think the second and subsequent batches will sell better of people know they're getting knife that's been fixed. There's a lot of negative feelings out there because of this issue (the bearing knives in general) and it's not all being expressed on this or other forums. It's mostly YouTube and other social media outlets which I know you're too busy to keep up with.
 
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It is quite unfortunate Spyderco has run into this "issue." I understand the frustration on the part of Advoacte owners, and I think it is partly due to the high expectations for this knife. The thing is, these small issues are bound to pop up, and I have no doubt Spyderco will satisfactorily resolve them. Spyderco listens to their customers more than any other brand, and they are always pushing the envelope and putting out a ton of new stuff. With such a dynamic output of knives, small issues are bound to pop up. I for one appreciate all the innovation, and especially Sal and co. listening to customers. I hope the headache over the Advocate doesn't change that.
 
Spyderco will make the Advocate better in the future. They're taking care of their customers. I don't think ranting on and on is helpful at this point.
 
AF said:
Spyderco will make the Advocate better in the future. They're taking care of their customers. I don't think ranting on and on is helpful at this point.
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How do you like your Advocate? Do the bearings or the detent ball feel like they are grinding?
 
Daniel said:
How do you like your Advocate? Do the bearings or the detent ball feel like they are grinding?
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I sold mine. It felt like both the bearings and the detent were producing friction. I would not describe it as a grinding. It still flipped well but not nearly as well as many other flippers.
My Domino is amongst my best flippers.
I didn't sell the Advocate expressly because of the issues being discussed although that probably contributed to my negative feelings. I just don't really like thin, non-contoured ti flippers like the Advocate and the Viper Fortis. Also with the Advocate, it's uncomfortable to disengage the lock because the lockbar comes to a point and is not chamfered.
 
I agree about the Domino AF. Have mine for over a year now and it is silky smooth! Flips perfectly! Same thing with my black Southard!
I have over 30 Spydies and these 2 are my favorites!
Guess we got lucky brother!
Joe
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I'm also glad I didn't buy a pre ordered Advocate, there obviously is a problem BUT it's also just as obvious that they are fixing it.

I'll wait this one out, I know they will correct the issue and the next run will work just fine, I think many people just like me are willing to wait a bit for them to sort it out and will be ready to buy one once they do.

Not too worried, I do understand the frustrations of people who spent their money one knives that aren't working well however.
 
I have a Domino and it never really flipped very good. I took mine apart and everything was fine except the bearings were just basically crap. They seemed like they were rusted or corroded . I lubed them and reassembled the knife and it works ok.


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I had a domino when they first came out I also have a ZT 801 . Both came around the same time . The Domino was a good flipper but it did have some grinding noise . The 801 is a better flipper in my opinion much smoother that's why I still have it .
 
No Problem Bodog,

Most of the problems we've encountered have been "adjusted", but we also believe there is a problem with the design that must be corrected. We also have to recognize that many will adjust their knives and so the materials will have o be sorted so this does not create a problem. Which means a re-design.

sal
 
I dont even understand why someone would buy such an expensive knife.. i wouldnt dare to touch it, let alone use it. For that kind of money.


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iMarcoU said:
I dont even understand why someone would buy such an expensive knife.. i wouldnt dare to touch it, let alone use it. For that kind of money.


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Because we're knife enthusiasts. People spend much more than that on knives. Spend more time on these boards and you'll see.
 
iMarcoU said:
I dont even understand why someone would buy such an expensive knife.. i wouldnt dare to touch it, let alone use it. For that kind of money.


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Why do ppl buy Ferraris, Lambos, Bentley and such when cheap cars will also get u from point A to point B? Some ppl have the funds to feed their enthusiasm.


Why do girls/women have over a dozen handbags when one will do? Why buy 10 pairs of shoes/sneakers when one will do till its worn out? U c i can go on with questions like this. To each his own. If u have the funds and want to buy something regardless of what it is, its ur choice. Its there to make u happy not others.
 
iMarcoU said:
I dont even understand why someone would buy such an expensive knife.. i wouldnt dare to touch it, let alone use it. For that kind of money.


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How much did your iPhone cost? Do you touch it and use it?
 
Fanglekai said:
How much did your iPhone cost? Do you touch it and use it?
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I understand, partly. I own a PM2, Delica, Salts etc. But the PM2 is as expensive as i am willing to go for a knife. ( Btw in the netherlands Spyderco prices are 200% ;-) )


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iMarcoU said:
I understand, partly. I own a PM2, Delica, Salts etc. But the PM2 is as expensive as i am willing to go for a knife. ( Btw in the netherlands Spyderco prices are 200% ;-) )


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A knife will last longer than a phone.
 
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