Spyderco Carbon Fiber?

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Look at real LSCF, then look at your szabo scales. Real LSCF has copper wires poking out everywhere, even on the "spine" of the scales. You can see pretty clearly that the szabo is imitation LSCF. :)

Go to 0:38

[video=youtube;FFt9tUR6LBg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFt9tUR6LBg&feature=relmfu[/video]

So it´s not LSCF , but he does call it CF , right ?

1234,,,:)
 
That's because the knife in the video is a prototype.
 
That's a nice pic clearly illustrating LAMINATE carbon fiber. See is single shiny wavy layer on the very outside of the scales? That's the carbon fiber. The rest is g10, which is also layered.

No, you're seeing the bevel (dark outside) and the non-beveled portion.

Try this for a slightly better view:

PB260726.jpg
 
Or are you just being argumentative??? ;)

Here's a pic. Lighting is not great, so the bevel looks darker, but you can see that the scale is uniform all the way through.

PB260723.jpg


Brother, that picture clearly illustrates the laminate. The layers you see are standard fiberglass layers in G10. I know it's not what you want to hear, but that's quite clearly a laminate just like all other GBs/sage 1s. :)
 
No, you're seeing the bevel (dark outside) and the non-beveled portion.

Try this for a slightly better view:

PB260726.jpg

Ok, I'm going to have to make a video to show you the difference between CF and G10. Those scales are G10 with a SUPER thin laminate CF layer on top. You're confusing the striations of fiberglass with CF. :)
 
No, you're seeing the bevel (dark outside) and the non-beveled portion.

Try this for a slightly better view
PB260726.jpg

Nope, I see the bevel, it's beveled g10. The cf layer is literally just the very outside layer, about the thickness of a sheet of paper.
 
My problem is, you go to the website it says the scales are made of carbon fiber, ok cool, you like the knife, you think you are paying for a knife that has full carbon fiber scales because the official website states so, you buy the knife only to find out that it's carbon fiber on top of G10 and you start asking questions, why does the website say its full carbon fiber, I feel like someone screwed me over...

Solution to the problem, tell the people the truth, its g10/carbon fiber laminate and there will be no confusion.
 
[video=youtube;FFt9tUR6LBg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFt9tUR6LBg&feature=relmfu[/video]

Eric Glesser describes it briefly in that Szabo video above.

"The weave does not go all the way through, it's just the top layer"
 
My problem is, you go to the website it says the scales are made of carbon fiber, ok cool, you like the knife, you think you are paying for a knife that has full carbon fiber scales because the official website states so, you buy the knife only to find out that it's carbon fiber on top of G10 and you start asking questions, why does the website say its full carbon fiber, I feel like someone screwed me over...

Solution to the problem, tell the people the truth, its g10/carbon fiber laminate and there will be no confusion.

That is just tragic...
 
again there's one think to keep in mind here, the laminate is not made to fool you buyers ...

sorry for the bold but sometimes you have to insist :

gluing a thin layer of cf on top of scales is the only way to get this texture with the weave apparent

if you polish solid CF you get what you have in the caly series, to get the texture of the weave i don't know any other way.

when you understand that why in the world would they use solid CF hidden under this first layer ? g10 is just as strong, almost as light .....

it's important to call things by their names but i don't see any concern in this construction.
 
My PM 1 is absolutely solid translucent G10. That is all. Carry on.

Moose
 
I thought you lost that PM1 Moose? I'm glad you found it.

How's your hoof healing?
 
I love it how nobody in here is a composites engineer, and everyone seems to think they're right. Lets clear a few things up:

First and foremost my Gayle Bradley is clearly just a layer of carbon on top of G10. I can't speak for all models out of Taichung, but all models out of Taichung I have seen posted here also are predominantly G10 with simply a top layer of carbon fiber.

Is it as strong as carbon fiber throughout? Well if you look at it from the more limited engineering definition, strength in this case would be defined as tensile and compressive strength, and thats a no. Additionally you have to look at production processes. A composite thats been bonded as a sheet (remember this is made of layers of quite literally fiberglass/carbon fiber cloth which are combined with resin and generally cured under pressure and controlled temperature) has very different structural properties from a sheet which has been bonded separately after curing. If you look at composites failures they occur, almost without exception, along lamination lines. Bonding a thin layer of carbon fiber to the top of a, hopefully, carefully finished layer of G10 simply will not be as strong. Even if you do everything perfectly, you inevitably come up against the fact that you're creating a slightly thicker resin layer which will be the weakest link. Long story short, from a technical standpoint its not as strong, and the picture posted by 5.56 is a clear demonstration of exactly that. There are two other things to consider here though. G10, generally speaking, has a higher toughness than carbon fiber. This is because glass fibers, again there is some complexity I'm glossing over but "all else being equal," have a greater elongation prior to failure than carbon fiber. This makes G10 better able to tolerate abuse eg as a knife scale. Anyone who has abused their carbon blades has probably noticed the carbon has a higher propensity to chip than their G10 ones. ;) There is something else too: knife scales, particularly in knives with liners, is essentially a non-load bearing application. If you think that four screws, most of which are toward the edge of your liner and countersunk most of the way through your composite, are making your knife hugely stronger you are in for a big surprise. If knife strength were an issue the composites would be bonded directly to the metal, not just slapped on with a few tiny little screws which also grossly violate the fibers. Its almost purely aesthetic, and if you want a cute little demonstration of that you can always substitute your G10 for paper or cloth micarta and realize the knife is functionally unaffected.


As to whether or not its "cheating" for spyderco to sell something calling it carbon fiber when in fact its carbon fiber and G10..... that ultimately is up to you. You could very easily argue that, since you hadn't noticed this for years, it really can't be argued that it affects you. At the same time you could argue that it was dishonest, which lets face it at the end of the day you were told it was carbon and it turns out to be carbon and glass. Structural issues aside, this could become a factor if for example you wanted to "tuff thumbz" your Gayle Bradley by filing those Anso style grooves into it. What a bitter surprise you'd have when you discovered that you not only violated your warranty, but that there was no carbon fiber under there. So you can argue both ways. I myself find I'm sitting on the fence here because while I'd not discovered the problem yet, it is technically an inferior product marketed and sold as its superior relative. Quite frankly I'd have been happier had it been either all carbon, laid up as a single unit, or all G10. That join between the carbon and g10 is what bugs me.
 
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