Spyderco Carbon Fiber?

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spyderco sage is mostly G-10 with a thin layer of CF over the top. I actually do not mind at all. there is probably little to no weight difference, and it looks nice, feels nice and makes it cheaper.

the bob terguola slip joint it all CF
 
If the scales were solid carbon fiber on the models that have a laminate. I bet you would see a pretty decent rise in pricing. Perhaps another $30 dollars? More material is needed to be bought, which in turn is what we the consumer feels. Honestly I am not doing anything with a folder that is going to destroy the bond between the two epoxied pieces. I understand dropping it on concrete or something.
 
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1234 said:
Gold plated or solid gold , you pick !

1234,,:D
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Thats a very good analogy actually, and sort of crystallizes my view on the whole situation. If you bought a watch as solid gold case, and it was advertised as a "gold case," you'd be pretty put out to find that it was only gold plated even though functionally it'd be basically no different.
 
Steel130 said:
If the scales were solid carbon fiber on the models that have a laminate. I bet you would see a pretty decent rise in pricing. Perhaps another $30 dollars? More material is needed to be bought, which in turn is what we the consumer feels. Honestly I am not doing anything with a folder that is going to destroy the bond between the two epoxied pieces. I understand dropping it on concrete or something.
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Thats not really the point. No doubt they are well made. I got my Sage1 here for $85, and am very happy with it as it is. I also love my CF Millies. Many/most read their catalog, and think it is solid CF though on all of them. It is on some, and isn't on others. I'm fine with a CF/G10 laminate myself considering the price.

hunterseeker5 said:
If you bought a watch as solid gold case, and it was advertised as a "gold case," you'd be pretty put out to find that it was only gold plated even though functionally it'd be basically no different.
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I feel this is the point, and IMO Spyderco needs to properly describe the CF on each knife. I love my Spyderco's, but would like to see the catalog reflect the truth.
I don't think it would hurt sales one bit, but misdescribing may.
 
(thinks to self - self... you should avoid this thread...)
I have no complaints. The GB is the best work knife I've ever had, and it was intended to be a work knife. 100 plus dollars? It's a steal.
Once I got a William Henry, stupid expensive knife, without the beads that were supposed to come with it and the company could care less and wanted to sell me something that was never intended for the knife and was stupid expensive in itself.
THAT pissed me off.:mad::mad::mad: I'll never give that company another penny. I won't say their name, but the second part of it rhymes with 'fart'.

Spyderco and their products?
No complaints - good to great values for functional knives.
 
I strive not to let my positive opinion of Spyderco affect the judgment I bring to bear on individual actions of theirs. Similarly I try not to let my overall low opinion of other brands/materials/steels/makers/etc affect my judgment. A bad company can make a good knife, and a good company can make a bad knife. The overall form and function of my Spyderco knives has been broadly excellent, the Gayle Bradley included, but that doesn't have any bearing on this particular issue. ;) Can people see the faint line contained herein? This is not some sort of broadside against Spyderco, I don't think anyone in this thread intends it to be, and if they did they quite frankly failed to use sufficiently aggressive language to portray that image. I think its people, in a remarkably calm manner I might add, are expressing some perfectly reasonable dissatisfaction with the discovery that a product purchased was not exactly as advertised. So to everyone here who, well intentioned as they are, shows up to defend Spyderco's history and performance please realize none of us are here to attack that. We all like Spyderco, god knows the cost of entry to this subforum is at least what, about 150$? Suffice to say by now we're probably convinced. Just because we disagree doesn't mean we hate them, and anyone here who is married REALLY understands that. ;)
 
JNewell said:
Or are you just being argumentative??? ;)

Here's a pic. Lighting is not great, so the bevel looks darker, but you can see that the scale is uniform all the way through.

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I know it's already been talked about. But, those grains in the scales are clearly g10.

Can't you feel the difference?
 
Hmmm..Guess what I'm bringing to work tomorrow? The Gayle Bradley... For those who are heartbroken that Spyderco lied to you, post your CF laminates on a sale thread, it will sell problem solved. There's plenty of non CF Spydercos you can get instead. If that doesn't solve it and insist on Spyderco rectify it and heal your wounds somehow, I dont know what to tell ya.
 
FCM415 said:
Solid buffed polished peel ply carbon fiber.
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Please tell me where you can see the peel ply structure on the dodo? How do you know that it was peel-ply before it was buffed? Do you work at the factory? When it's peel-ply then it is usually said in the knifes description at spyderco.com.
 
Rick2121 said:
Is the CF on the Dodo the same as the millies & S90 P2?
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RevDevil said:
Yes, it's called Peel Py CF, the same as the Military, Para2, Manix2.
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RevDevil,

Sorry, but CF on Dodo is not Peel Ply. I have CF Para, Mily as well as Caly, Native, UKPK and few others. CF on Dodo doesn't look like any above. It is difficult to describe. It is fairly polished, but at the same time has a texture. IMHO it is best looking out of Golden or Japanese models and has some grip as well.
 
My mistake bh49, I could have sworn it was PPCF, it looks that way in all the photos I've seen.

shawn_ray said:
Do you actually own all these knives? Because its not! The milli, para 2 and manix 2 sprint use peel ply cf. The dodo has solid buffed cf scales.
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Simmer down. I do own several CF Paras, Militarys and that in indeed the textured CF. :foot:
 
I dont own any CF knife anymore as i sold my PE harpy few years ago, personally i find glossy cf impractical, slippery and it does attract scratches a lot so to be frank i will not buy any CF knife unless it is peel ply or "Anso chiseled". Let me say that if i had bought any laminate CF to find it is in fact G10 with a very thin layer on it i would be very upset as it is gross misleading, no matter how good G10 is, the catalog should be correct and should explain about the laminate thingy.
Im not complaining about the strength, weight of the g10 as it is my fave user friendly handle material along with micarta but something is wrong when such a well respected company pulls that kind of cheapshot.
As to people who argue it doesnt affect the function of the knife, yes thats true , but if you ever wanted to buff and polish the scratches from it how long would it take to go through the decorative layer ? Also it is kind of easy to guess that thin laminated cf over g10 is quite more fragile than solid g10 or solid cf just as shown on the picture with the Gayle bradley.
3 months ago i was going to buy a Sage 1 as a gift and finally settled for a FFG delica and im glad i did because the knife is tied to keyring all the time and that would have ruined the finish in no time...
 
Ken44 said:
Thats not really the point. No doubt they are well made. I got my Sage1 here for $85, and am very happy with it as it is. I also love my CF Millies. Many/most read their catalog, and think it is solid CF though on all of them. It is on some, and isn't on others. I'm fine with a CF/G10 laminate myself considering the price.



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I get what you guys are saying. And I do think they should describe it as a carbon fiber laminate. I doubt the carbon fiber being a laminate is the issue. People want to know that it is beforehand.
 
I'd only be pissed if I bought a gold-plated watch if I paid a solid-gold watch price for it.

there. you can all move on now. I'm happy with my Spydercos.
 
Interesting thread. I also posted this on the Spyderco subforum thread.

I believe that Spyderco is a very transparent company, probably more so than most. I can also assure you that we try to provide all of the information in our catalogs that we believe our customers desire. When discussing handle material, most customers and dealers are interested in what the handle is made out of for look and feel, eg: Stainless steel, micarta, carbon fiber, G-10, peel ply, as a feel, etc. Most are not intersted in the chemical composition. For those that want more detailed information, eg: edge geometry angle, heat treat, etc, they will usually contact us or bring it up on a forum. We usually address those questions when asked. To suggest that Spyderco is intentionally deceiving our customers is somewhat insulting. We have no pronblem listing CF/G10 laminate, but honestly it's not been a question. Then those will ask what percentage, thickness, etc. That's forum stuff, not catalog stuff.

As far as the material is concerned; over the past 20 years that we have been using carbon fiber, we have use a variety of carbon fibers made from different manufacturers. We've used carbon fiber/G-10 laminates like the UK as well a solid CF. We've also used a variety of surfaces as well. As we learn more about the material and as different sources become available, we make adjustments. At this time, our USA made carbon fiber is solid carbon fiber 3K weave. This is also used in much of our Seki made knives as the material is made in the US and shipped to Seki. Some of it is made in Japan (eg: Nishijin). Our Taichuing maker creates his own carbon fiber. He is also a very expensive maker. In an effort to keep the costs down on the cusom carbon fiber, we use a G-10 laminate backing. Since these models also have liners, strength is not an issue. The name of the material for the Szabo is "Fold Lined Carbon Fiber". that doesn't mean that you can take out the "gold" melt it down and use it as gold. If our customers want us to provide more info, no problem. If our cusotomers want us to use solid CF on our Taichung models, no problem, it will raise the price $25-$40 per piece.

I will say that from here, it does seem like some are not truth seeking, but act like they're trying to find something that we're doing wrong or dishonest. "ohboyohboy, I found some dirt on Spyderco! I'll get out my microscopes and U-Tube videos and prove it!" When some come to our defense, for which we thank you, they are called "fanboys" or "close minded" like politicians use the "race" card or the "class" card. These forums are supposed to be for sharing information. There are few in the industry that are as open and honest about sharing information as Spyderco. Perhaps you might take that into consideration when presenting your "facts" and not make it seem like it's "bad steel" or "bad Spyderco". Just some thoughts to share.

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