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Spyderco Fakes & Knock Offs Info

Discussion in 'Spyderco' started by RevDevil, Dec 4, 2010.

  1. Mo2

    Mo2

    Apr 8, 2016
    Yea Amazon is going to cause a lot of issues with the fake knives it harbors. Most people who are not knife people are just not going to know unless they ask knowledgeable folks or search yt for signs of fakes. Too bad they allow this crap.
     
  2. Arnikusz

    Arnikusz

    64
    May 13, 2015
    Hy my Blade friends.
    Please help.
    Have you seen anybody Spyderco Tatanka china fake copy model?
    Thanks very much.
     
  3. kreisler

    kreisler

    341
    May 11, 2012
    some education from my part :rolleyes: . this 27$ shipped Techno lookalike is a cheap knockoff with distinctive differences (cheap finish "rubbing off" fast, titanium back spacer, no copied markings/logos/labels, ball bearings, no Spyderco-related paperwork or packaging). the blade is labeled with "D2" and the sales page advertises it as "Chinese D2" lol. no shopper or buyer would think that it is a genuine Spyderco product, the differences are too obvious.

    the steel is terribly soft and can be ground away super easily with 302UF. from my analysis the steel has to be 8Cr13MoV.
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    it shines up fast to mirror polish:
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    i can get it sharper than my genuine Delica 4 VG10, i dunno why:
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    but cutting for example toilet paper or Kleenex tissue blunts the edge right away (one can see apex reflecting light). horrible steel re edge retention. but it is so easy to strop back to silly sharpness. I am saving up now for the genuine Techno: handling the knockoff for so many days helped me foster the purchase idea! :thumbsup: :cool:
     
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  4. Ballenxj

    Ballenxj

    Oct 30, 2010
    Chinese D2? My ASS! Their metallurgy apparently sux! Thanks for the demonstration. ;)
     
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  5. Jcsixx01

    Jcsixx01 Gold Member Gold Member

    223
    Dec 3, 2018
    Subvert clones have started popping on eBay. The listing isn’t trying to pass them off as legit, but it will happen sooner or later.
     
  6. MolokaiRider

    MolokaiRider Gold Member Gold Member

    Sep 13, 2017
    Amazon....SMH
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  7. kreisler

    kreisler

    341
    May 11, 2012
  8. Trvrdgr1234

    Trvrdgr1234 Gold Member Gold Member

    107
    Apr 29, 2019
    Yeah I just got a shaman from then for $135 I was alittle suspicious because it was $50 more everywhere else but it's legit

    At least with Amazon you know you can return it if you get a dud
     
  9. mikey488

    mikey488 Gold Member Gold Member Basic Member

    118
    Jun 10, 2006
    The problem is too many people DONT KNOW and the trash continues to pour into the market. Kudos for exposing the fraud.
     
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  10. kreisler

    kreisler

    341
    May 11, 2012
    What applies to the PM2 clone discussion seems to apply to the Delica4 discussion too. NeptuneKnives:p is the only one on YT who points out the decisive dead giveaway, and for this checkpoint one does not need another clone or genuine knife unit for comparison or reference: if you have just one knife unit, checking this point 448968 alone suffices to determine whether the unit is genuine or clone. Basta.

    Note: The following photos are posted in cute:D 450p, click to view in 5K:eek: high-def resolution (all photo credits @rdlinternas).

    So let's start the education with the PM2. It is no news that in the profile view the jimping of the PM2-clone looks cut primitively, geometrically:
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    The jimping of the genuine PM2 looks cut somewhat wavily, like waves. The wave profile is actually very subtle:
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    Since you might see the wave profile even on a good clone in a very very subtle form too (i.e. you're not sure if the waviness is sufficient to qualify as genuine PM2), the true dead giveaway comes as soon as you look right into the jimping! As NeptuneKnives explained in the video, on the clone the inside of the jimping looks spotty, grainy, speckled, dirty, cheap, and unmachined (even though it may well be machined wtf knows):
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    On the genuine PM2 the inside of the jimping looks smooth, machined. Machined probably through water jets or whatnot:
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    Here three more photos showing the inside of the jimping on the genuine PM2 to form a full picture in your mind for future reference by heart:
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    Now the same goes for the Delica4 and Endura4. This is the jimping profile view of a poor Delica4 lookalike:
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    The profile of the jimping on the genuine Delica4:
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    And finally the comparison between the inside of the jimpings. This is the inside of the clone jimping. Hard to see on the photo but it does look spotty and unmachined in RL:
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    And here is the inside of the genuine Delica4 jimping. Again hard to see on the photo that it does look machined in RL, one can see machining marks (maybe not from water jets tho i dunno):
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    On the Delica4 and Endura4 the inside of the jimpings are harder to photograph because everything is so small narrow tight tiny. But with a loupe one can see right away if the inside looks spotty (clone!) or machined (genuine!). And even if CN knife makers learn the dead giveaway from this very post, it is highly doubtful that they'll be able to correct it in their future productions of the knife blade. :rolleyes:
     
    Last edited: Jul 23, 2019
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  11. CPM3V

    CPM3V Gold Member Gold Member

    121
    Jun 5, 2019
    There are a ton of fake police models pretty well done on ebay currently. Does Spyderco do anything to try and get them removed? The knives are going for about 25-50 dollars a piece. They are done well enough it would be very difficult for untrained people to see the difference. Marketed exactly as Spydercos. Even stamped VG10.
     
  12. cabfrank

    cabfrank

    372
    Jun 21, 2010
    I think they (Spyderco) try, and keep trying. It's a tough and continuous battle.
     
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  13. FiveToes

    FiveToes Gold Member Gold Member

    73
    May 22, 2019
    Are the differences in jimping in clones the same across the board? I'm guessing the cloners don't have as sophisticated tooling as the real manufacturer so they can't reproduce the finer details.

    I wonder if these design choices were added as a copyright protection feature. If so, well done Sal and Eric.
     
  14. cbrstar

    cbrstar Gold Member Gold Member

    819
    Sep 7, 2015
    Just got my P4 in the mail...But the G10 feels different then my P3??

    Here's a regular pic (Sorry phone camera)

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    Now with the clarity filter on

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    Seems to be a different pattern. Should I be concerned?
     
  15. 5-by-5

    5-by-5

    Oct 13, 2016
    i can't read...
     

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