spyderco???? good EDC??

[Dorito Monk]

If you want self defense, learn a martial art. Using a knife for self defense is a colossally bad idea unless you've been specifically trained to use one.

Honestly, not a personal attack towards you: But as a personal peeve, all these survivalist/knife forums where people say they need a knife for self defense, I think is pathetic. Learn to use your fists people. Besides, knives aren't much use against a bigger weapon like a stick, and you certainly don't bring a knife to a gun fight.

Hit the nail on the head. :thumbup:

If you're set on the idea, go nuts, but freq. has a really good point there.

As for "[Spydercos] are the most over-rated knife around, Benchmade and Kershaw are over-rated as well": I'm not even gonna touch that one

 

[TheCarbideRat]

Spydercos are Ok for what they are.

 

[RevDevil]

Spyderco has some of the best, most useful designs in my opinion. If you're into them, I'd pick up one of those brand new flat-ground Delicas or Enduras.

Edit: don't carry a knife for defense... Don't let your choice of a knife revolve around self-defense. If you come into a thread posting that, chances are you shouldn't be carry a knife as a weapon (I know, I know, but you know better... =\ )

Could not have said this better. If you want to have something for self defense there are plenty of non-lethal options. You can get pepper spray, tactical pen, tazer gun, or get a CCW permit. Be careful out there.:thumbup:

All that said, if you want a cheaper knife for self defense. Don't get a spyderco. They deploy slowly. A great, cheap EDC that can be had on amazon for around 20 bucks, is the Columbia River Knife and Tool (CRKT) M16-10kz. It has a tanto point for stabbing, and a partially serrated edge for tearing flesh. Also, it features a carson flipper that deploys extremely quickly for a 50 state legal knife. After a few practices, and if your knife is adjusted and lubricated properly, it should open as fast as a switchblade. It's a quality, durable, very light knife for EDC. The only drawback is that while the locking mechanism is strong, it takes two hands to close the knife.

If you are looking for a quality knife that also deploys quick and you are willing to spend a bit more money, I would look at a benchmade knife that features the axis lock. It's a bit higher quality than spyderco overall in my opinion. Check out the mini griptilian, fantastic knife.

LMAO...That is just hilarious....wow
Better buy some benchstones too while your at it...
uh...oops shiny footprints...sry.

 

[razorsdescent]

If you want self defense, learn a martial art. Using a knife for self defense is a colossally bad idea unless you've been specifically trained to use one.

Honestly, not a personal attack towards you: But as a personal peeve, all these survivalist/knife forums where people say they need a knife for self defense, I think is pathetic. Learn to use your fists people. Besides, knives aren't much use against a bigger weapon like a stick, and you certainly don't bring a knife to a gun fight.

-Freq

No offense but your touching on some of my pet peeves. Why would i fight with my bare hands when i can shatter a skull with a hammer or slice through to the heart with a knife.

Ive had a buddy of mine stabbed to death. Knives can be quite good at killing people. So it really irritates me to no ed when people say that knives are not good weapons. And yes it can beat a stick or a bat. Cops are stabbed to death every year. Soldiers kill insurgents with knives It happens. Hell people have literally killed bears with knives. Crazy stuff happens ad to dismiss the threat a knife or even a broke bottle can pose is rediculous.

That being said i carry a gun for SD. Unless im going somewhere that i think i will end up very drunk at i am carrying.

 

[THG]

No offense but your touching on some of my pet peeves. Why would i fight with my bare hands when i can shatter a skull with a hammer or slice through to the heart with a knife.

Ive had a buddy of mine stabbed to death. Knives can be quite good at killing people. So it really irritates me to no ed when people say that knives are not good weapons. And yes it can beat a stick or a bat. Cops are stabbed to death every year. Soldiers kill insurgents with knives It happens. Hell people have literally killed bears with knives. Crazy stuff happens ad to dismiss the threat a knife or even a broke bottle can pose is rediculous.

That being said i carry a gun for SD. Unless im going somewhere that i think i will end up very drunk at i am carrying.

That's not the point, though. No one is denying that a knife can kill. The point is that unless you're trained, you're putting yourself in an uncertain situation. Of course I'd use it as a last-ditch defense item, but I don't think you should go around "carrying a weapon" without actually being trained to use said weapon.

 

[TheCarbideRat]

You would fight with bare hands because: it is honorable,

because: less people get killed that way,

because: using a weapon turns a "fight" into an assassination.

 

[razorsdescent]

You would fight with bare hands because: it is honorable,

because: less people get killed that way,

because: using a weapon turns a "fight" into an assassination.

LOL @ fighting being honorable. The point of a fight isnt honor its to win period. I don't "fight" that is stupid. i defend myself. Maybe your one of those people that fights or squabbles over little things like insults, i do not. The honorable thing to do in a situation where your life isnt in immediate danger is to walk away.

Yes when a man comes at me with a knife or gun or chair my priority is of course going to be to make sure that i dont kill him

Assassination you say? well then i'm an assassin and i feel none the worse for the label. I will walk/limp/crawl away the other person(s) will not.

 

[TheCarbideRat]

How in the hell do you get that I "squabble over little things"? Really, what did you base that on?

I am not talking about self-defense in my previous post, I was referring
to a mano a mano situation, after all, you are the one who said "fight".

Do you even know what I am talking about?

 

[vwb563]

Im new to this and I been watching alot of good reviews online about spyderco. Im considering getting one as my first EDC knife, I would like to hear your opinions on spyderco.

I want to spend around $50 or less... looking at the tenacious , endura or delica

Come on now people! :grumpy: Everyone is getting way out there and not answering the OP questions. My opinion on Spyderco is this. They are excellent, well built, high quality knives with well thought out designs from superior materials for very reasonable prices! Sure there are better knives out there but not for the same price! Custom knives will cost you several times more than a good Spydie! In my opinion Spydercos are as good and probably better than anything else out there in their price range. :thumbup:

 

[TwitchyBlade]

Ooo another good spyderco knife would be the Native.

 

[THG]

How in the hell do you get that I "squabble over little things"? Really, what did you base that on?

On this:

because: using a weapon turns a "fight" into an assassination.

Smart people don't get into "fights" and pull out knives or guns. They walk away from fights. The kind of "fight" you're talking about isn't a life-or-death situation where someone reasonable should/would pull a weapon to kill.

 

[thejamppa]

The problem is that when you pull knife out for self defense and you don't kill assaulter and you go court, there's hardly any judge that looks that you had good reason to use knife, unless you had reason to kill that person. And even then you may get sentence for manslaughter or excessive use of force or similar. Killing with knife requires close contact and is more intimate and that is something which affects also court. Its far harder to kill person with knife accident without intent than it is with gun.

Indeed, knife is first and in thiese kinds of situation a tool of assassination and weapon of ambush. Now in real situation you probably never have change even pull out your knife. Nor its that wise to try judo or similar with guy who holds knife. IMHO its best to give your wallet then unless you can crab lead pipe or similar long blunt weapon, which I doubt.

On the topic: Spyderco is great company. Delica 4, Calypso series, like Caly 3 are excellent edc knives. You can get both in good stainless VG-10 steel or high carbon ZDP-189 that will remain sharp for long. They weight around 3 Oz and make very good edc carries. Kershaw has many good EDC blades too. My favourites is the Kershaw Skyline.

 

[creativeoutlethobbie]

Im new to this and I been watching alot of good reviews online about spyderco. Im considering getting one as my first EDC knife, I would like to hear your opinions on spyderco.

I want to spend around $50 or less... looking at the tenacious , endura or delica

All the Spyderco's are great. I would go Delica or even the Native for that price range.

 

[razorsdescent]

On this:



Smart people don't get into "fights" and pull out knives or guns. They walk away from fights. The kind of "fight" you're talking about isn't a life-or-death situation where someone reasonable should/would pull a weapon to kill.

My point exactly. Thank you THG :thumbup:

 

[Reeper22]

As far as the defensive situation, if I was threatened with great bodily harm or death I would much rather have a knife. Being trained in martial arts doesn't mean you will be able to defeat ANYONE with your hands. As far as the courts go, I wouldn't use it unless faced with death or great bodily injury, in either case I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6. BTW, just because they don't have a weapon doesn't mean a reasonable person in their situation wouldn't fear for their life (which is really all that matters). If I were getting jumped, I could assume that they may crack my skull or later pull a weapon. The only real issue is duty to retreat before using deadly force. This doesn't apply in the home in most states. And there is no duty to retreat at all in Florida. Deadly force can be anything from a sharpened pencil to a gun to pretty much anything. If Mike Tyson was trying to punch me the fact finder, most likely a jury, would view a punch from him as deadly force. Just some things to think about.

Oh, and you don't need to be trained to use a knife to kill someone. Just ask the guys on death row.

To that end, Spydercos are great. Just pick one with a design you like and you are good to go.

 

[Reeper22]

My point exactly. Thank you THG :thumbup:

Doesn't have to be life or death. A "self-defense" defense looks to what a reasonable person in that person's shoes (taking into account their person prior history) for what they perceive to be life threatening or in the face of imminent great bodily harm. That being said, if someone says they're going to kicj your ass you can't stab them to death.

 

[singularity35]

would you trust your life with a $50 knife?
I totally agree with freq18hz

so if all you've got is a 50 dollar knife and you get in a really bad situation would you use your "looks to kill" or your "sharp tongue" and not use the knife?

 

[jaxxx]

pls stick to the subject, I ignored those self defense comments who gets butt hurts when using a knife for self defense.. In a life or death situation if I have a knife on me and that all I have, im using it.
I should have never mentioned self defense...these guys cracks me up

 

[vwb563]

Jaxxx, all the Spydercos are good. But in my past experience from many years of using knives of different blade shapes and grinds, I have always found blades with flat grinds to excell at cutting and slicing. To me a flat grind beats them all. And now Spyderco has introduced this type of grind in their Delica and Endura series. In my opinion these would be hard to beat for the money. They should be outstanding slicers and cutters! I don't think you would be disappointed with either one.

 

[TwitchyBlade]

Jaxxx, all the Spydercos are good. But in my past experience from many years of using knives of different blade shapes and grinds, I have always found blades with flat grinds to excell at cutting and slicing. To me a flat grind beats them all. And now Spyderco has introduced this type of grind in their Delica and Endura series. In my opinion these would be hard to beat for the money. They should be outstanding slicers and cutters! I don't think you would be disappointed with either one.

I second that! Go for the Delica or Endura!:thumbup: