spyderco???? good EDC??

freq18hz said:
Don't get a spyderco. They deploy slowly. A great, cheap EDC that can be had on amazon for around 20 bucks, is the Columbia River Knife and Tool (CRKT) M16-10kz.
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Honestly, CRKT makes good, inexpensive knives but IMO they are not even comparable to the quality of Spyderco. As far as thumb holes versus flippers versus thumb studs, you need to try them all for yourself, as different people seem to have different experiences. Personally, I can open my thumb-hole Spyderco's as fast or faster than any flipper, AO or even auto I have ever tried.

TheCarbideRat said:
You would fight with bare hands because: it is honorable,

because: less people get killed that way,

because: using a weapon turns a "fight" into an assassination.
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TheCarbideRat said:
Spydercos are weak. What you are looking for is this:

Strength, as in spear point, tanto, ~or~ a modified tanto as in the Wagner reality
based self defense folder or other robustly constructed knife, ... Spyderco is generally
no good in this aspect [flame suit: activated].

Sharpness, nuff said.

Grippiness, as in checkered / slotted G-10 or Micarta done correctly.

Speed, speed is life, so a waved knife is optimum. There are some members here
who are very adept at waving many kinds of knives. A Cold Steel ak-47 from ebay maybe
[the G-10 one] would fit all or almost all of what you said you wanted.

A knife with some mass to it is helpful, another area where Spyderco is 2nd rate.
[they are the most over-rated knife around, Benchmade and Kershaw are over-rated as well]

I understand you might not be able to afford what all I am talking about in a knife right away [and others have said] but bear it in mind for the future. Welcome to BF. :cool:

~TCR
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Hornorable fighting? Spyderco's are weak? Cold Steel is better? You are a riot, TCR! :D
 
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This is one of those really good threads that I really don't know exactly where to start.

Because Spyderco has so many different blades for all types of cutting chores. I've used a very wide array of different Spyderco models for general EDC carrying knives that there is just no way I could even begin to narrow it down to just one.

It is really going to boil down to which model is going to suit you the best on an individual basis. Right now if I had to pick one for really good all purpose EDC carry without knowing you or the cutting chores you might encounter I would say to go for one of the ZDP-189 Endura models. I don't think there is any way you could go wrong with that model at all. But if blade length is a problem where you have really oppressive, NON-CONSTITUTIONAL type laws I would recommend a NATIVE model.

If you are new to carrying knives I would not recommend to start off carrying a Hawkbill. I love Hawkbills and I live for Hawkbills and I carry one myself. But I do believe a guy or gal should get comfortable with a conventional blade before trying some of your more exotic blade designs.

Regardless which model you pick to EDC you can't hardly go wrong with any of the great Spyderco folders.
 
A very good Spyderco EDC is the Centofante 3. You should check it out. The blade is thinner than on a Delica or Endura which makes it a terrific slicer. It also looks great.
 
For low priced knives I really think the Tenacious or Persistence take the cake. Beefy liners, G10, just overall well made for about 30 bucks.

As to using a knife for self defense, the best weapon is the one that is with you. It is much easier to always have your knife on you than a bat or gun. I see a self defense knife more as a fight deterrent than anything else. Brandishing a knife can keep an attacker back long enough for you to escape or help to arrive.
 
SuzukiGS750EZ said:
I don't think you should get a knife for self defense unless you've been trained for it. Any knife can be used for "defense", as they're cutting tools. But you really don't want to get into that big tangle of a mess if you use a knife on somebody...
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Agreed, if not properly trained (how many truly are?) it may well end up getting you hurt (or worse) than you would have ever gotten if you hadn't pulled a knife in a fight. Think cutting tool not weapon.

As an aside, Spyderco makes fantastic knives as does Benchmade.
 
jaxxx said:
pls stick to the subject, I ignored those self defense comments who gets butt hurts when using a knife for self defense.. In a life or death situation if I have a knife on me and that all I have, im using it.
I should have never mentioned self defense...these guys cracks me up
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Just trying to be helpful and more than that, realistic. There are several things that can go wrong with that scenario, and if common sense does not seem to be a factor for you to consider - so be it.

To answer your question simply, yes Spyderco is a good EDC. It is recommended that you visit a knife shop of some sort and handle the knives in your price range, see which one you like most. If that is not possible, any of the suggestions made here within your price range should be more than sufficient to meet your "needs".
 
mdauben said:
Honestly, CRKT makes good, inexpensive knives but IMO they are not even comparable to the quality of Spyderco. As far as thumb holes versus flippers versus thumb studs, you need to try them all for yourself, as different people seem to have different experiences. Personally, I can open my thumb-hole Spyderco's as fast or faster than any flipper, AO or even auto I have ever tried.



Hornorable fighting? Spyderco's are weak? Cold Steel is better? You are a riot, TCR! :D
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Yes, honor. Glad I could entertain you.

I didn't know about some of the Spyderco combat knives at the time of my other post, the Spydercos i have a seen and handled are weak compared to Cold Steel, Ontario XM-1, Wilson Combat folders, and a bunch of others, so did you know what you were saying?
 
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Truth is, not a lot of people will walk around "combat ready". Most people will get attacked when they least expect it. Without some kind of training, a knife that you pull out to "defend yourself" with could end up being a skewer in your own body. Its a hoot reading posts where people say, "I'll carry this X brand knife because it will save my life in a fight!" MmHmmm.?

Obviously making some sweeping statments without any sort of logic or factual structure to support said comments is simply ignorant. In the hands of a skilled person, such as Mr. Michael Janich - a simple Spyderco Delica can be used to defend oneself. http://www.martialbladeconcepts.com/ read a little bit of the home page on this website and watch some of the YouTube videos, then make knowledgeable comments.

I'm just dying to know what you think is a weak knife? Because you cannot chop apart a brick wall? Or maybe a blade that cannot cut through a Chevy 350 big block? You are comparing apples to oranges. Do you carry a Cold Steel daily because you have a realistic expectation of cutting down several trees?
 
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So I'm a troll via innuendo now? thanks.

What's wrong with replying to a 3 month old thread can I ask?
Can I actually ask and may I actually know the answer SPX or do you even have one?

Rev Devil I'd like to respond to your query on what I think a weak knife is
maybe we can go to PM's about it, but I'd like to know what the problem is here first if I may.
 
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TheCarbideRat said:
So I'm a troll via innuendo now? thanks.

What's wrong with replying to a 3 month old thread can I ask?
Can I actually ask and may I actually know the answer SPX or do you even have one?

I'd like to respond to your query on what I think a weak knife is
maybe we can go to PM's about it, but I'd like to know what the problem is here first if I may.
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Simmer down son, you can do anything you like. Have a cup of coffee and chill out. I have no interest is playing PM tag with you, I did not specifically say anything about you or your post. Not everything is about you ;)
 
looked up prices for delicas. cheapest is the delica frn pe @ $50. most other models of the delica are $55+.

your price point will limit your spyderco choices. (ie.-model, steel type, handle material, country of origin, etc...)

as far as self defence, buy a heavy bag and learn how to punch.

i suggest the op use the search function and do your due diligence!
 
TheCarbideRat said:
Here are a few 'broken Spyderco' threads, lots more are there, this is just a sample. ;)

https://spyderco.com/forums/showthread.php?t=40130

http://www.spiderco.com/forums/showthread.php?p=551873

http://www.spyderco.com/forums/showthread.php?t=43377

http://spyderco.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39247&highlight=ZDP+Mule+problem

http://www.spyderco.com/forums/showthread.php?t=40347&highlight=Broken

I'm still looking for the 'broken Ontario XM1' threads, anyone have one?
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In all those cases(and many more) Spyderco took care of the problem, i.e. they replaced the persons knife or gave them a chance to send it in for credit(ZDP189 Mules). Also, Spyderco did the Mule series to let people test new steels at a cheap price. To my knowledge, no one made a production ZDP189 fixed blade before, and they were to hard(65-66), which is what I believe their ZDP folders are at. They were the first to admit there was a problem.

Canis
 
To be fair, Spydercos are mass produced and popular, so yes there will be a higher amount of evidence of failure which may not be proportionally corrected to less popular brands, I'll give that. I also ran across this:

"Cold Steel Knives makes very high quality products. When Cold Steel knives first came on the knife manufacturing scene they ran several tests (as required by one of the knife maker guilds) on their knives to prove their effectiveness. Then they ran the identical tests on their competitors knives which failed miserably."

http://www.ebladestore.com/brand/Cold-Steel-Knives.html

I am looking now for some info on these tests, should be interesting to see and if they actually did go head to head with Spyderco. Hmmmm!
 
I carry an Endura pe ffg byTom krein. I never had a problem with weakness with this knife. It"s an excellent edc user. Plan on getting another ffg Endura from production from Spyderco. Never had to use a knife for self defense & hopefully never will, not the kind to fight with knives. But I find this knife will serve me in any kind of situations. All folders have a certaim weakness if not use*proplerly. Just curious what weakness Spyderco has with their knives. Thanks, Gary, btw I use a Bm551 pe for work.
 
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