Spyderco Honours Benchmade

[BigWillie]

Sorry, I can't argue with your ignorance....

Yea you don't ever argue...You just talk and posted some pictures

Weak lock up lol

I would like to argue with you...You don't seem to have much to say beyond an irrational belief in a few mm of metal

 

[soc_monki]

Good luck shoving either of those locks into profiles you like

I don't see how this has anything to do with the liner/frame lock being obsolete tho

If you could shove a CBBL into a PM2 we'd have had that long ago.

The PM2 doesn't need a cbbl. It has a comp lock, and the manix has the cbbl. I have both. And a para 3, and a manix 2 LW, and a para 3 lw, and a sage 5, and an Amalgam. So Ive got plenty of cbbl and comp locks, and all work great, and I won't have to worry about an omega spring breaking.

As for liner and frame locks... You're saying they're inferior, I didn't say anything about them being obsolete. They work, and that's all there is to say. But it still stands, I'd rather have a good liner or frame lock that has less failure modes than an axis lock that is dependent on springs that can break at any moment.

If you like the axis lock, that's fine. Buy knives with it, use it, enjoy it. But trying to tell everyone it's better than everything else is ignorant. It's better for you.

And if you want an axis lock pm2, go buy a ganzo on eBay... They put the axis into every frame they can.

 

[BigWillie]

The PM2 doesn't need a cbbl. It has a comp lock, and the manix has the cbbl. I have both. And a para 3, and a manix 2 LW, and a para 3 lw, and a sage 5, and an Amalgam. So Ive got plenty of cbbl and comp locks, and all work great, and I won't have to worry about an omega spring breaking.

As for liner and frame locks... You're saying they're inferior, I didn't say anything about them being obsolete. They work, and that's all there is to say. But it still stands, I'd rather have a good liner or frame lock that has less failure modes than an axis lock that is dependent on springs that can break at any moment.

If you like the axis lock, that's fine. Buy knives with it, use it, enjoy it. But trying to tell everyone it's better than everything else is ignorant. It's better for you.

And if you want an axis lock pm2, go buy a ganzo on eBay... They put the axis into every frame they can.

While the compression doesn't need upgrading as badly as some of the other popular locks

It's still inferior slightly from an egos perspective.

And heavily from a strength perspective

If Ganzo could grind their blades in a way that didn't make me wanna vomit I woulda just bought 15 of em and been done with it. I don't mind their steel (by theirs i mean the 440c of whatever factory they pay)

I would pay spyderco a lottttttttttt of money for a properly done one.

edit - yea knives with no lcoks work too, opinels work. Low bar

 

[GronK]

old man if you trust that spring less than you do a frame lock you're not very bright

Hahaha

Axis locks will fail to lock up....They ain't gonna fail once they do tho. And those springs are replaceable

Many other locks aren't gonna warn you...They'll just bite you.

Especially over decades of use.

If you prefer liner or frame locks you have no sense. Compression is better but still inferior

You may be "Big" but you ain't that slick fer sure. My reference was to the ball lock with the nice fat coil spring. Listen to your elders. You may learn something to keep you from sounding like a young punk.

 

[soc_monki]

While the compression doesn't need upgrading as badly as some of the other popular locks

It's still inferior slightly from an egos perspective.

And heavily from a strength perspective

If Ganzo could grind their blades in a way that didn't make me wanna vomit I woulda just bought 15 of em and been done with it. I don't mind their steel (by theirs i mean the 440c of whatever factory they pay)

I would pay spyderco a lottttttttttt of money for a properly done one.

Egos? Or ergos? Because I find the ergos just fine. And Sal has no ego from what I can see.

Strength? It's one of the strongest locks available. Go check some lock tests on YouTube, blade HQ did a series on lock strength and even the Tenacious liner lock was more than strong enough for whatever you can throw at it.

So I really don't see how you can claim the comp lock (or any other lock) is not strong enough. What do you do to your knives to make them fail? Whack the spine until they have lock rock and will no longer function correctly?

 

[BigWillie]

Egos? Or ergos? Because I find the ergos just fine. And Sal has no ego from what I can see.

Strength? It's one of the strongest locks available. Go check some lock tests on YouTube, blade HQ did a series on lock strength and even the Tenacious liner lock was more than strong enough for whatever you can throw at it.

So I really don't see how you can claim the comp lock (or any other lock) is not strong enough. What do you do to your knives to make them fail? Whack the spine until they have lock rock and will no longer function correctly?

Yea the CBBL and Axis lock are vastly stronger than the tab locks lol

The beauty of tehse locks is you take a much larger piece of metal than would normally be reasonable and shove it above the pivot. Making sure it's not the weak point.

The CBBL CRUSHED the compression lock. And the only reason it failed is because the bearing ripped out of the frame.

Blade HQ did a lock strength test video with spyderco knives in an attempt to control for quality of lock*.

 

[soc_monki]

Yea the CBBL and Axis lock are vastly stronger than the tab locks lol

The beauty of tehse locks is you take a much larger piece of metal than would normally be reasonable and shove it above the pivot. Making sure it's not the weak point.

The CBBL CRUSHED the compression lock. And the only reason it failed is because the bearing ripped out of the frame.

Blade HQ did a lock strength test video with spyderco knives in an attempt to control for quality of lock*.

It doesn't matter if the cbbl crushed the comp lock, the fact is both locks would survive anything you can throw at them in normal use.

And if I recall, the bolt action lock was stronger than all other locks. The knife literally exploded because they couldn't break it. So why isn't it on more knives?

 

[BigWillie]

It doesn't matter if the cbbl crushed the comp lock, the fact is both locks would survive anything you can throw at them in normal use.

And if I recall, the bolt action lock was stronger than all other locks. The knife literally exploded because they couldn't break it. So why isn't it on more knives?

Bolt action is the same concept. Spring and large piece of metal

Just again more restrictive in the blade profiles it fits in than an axis lock

 

[soc_monki]

Bolt action is the same concept. Spring and large piece of metal

Just again more restrictive in the blade profiles it fits in than an axis lock

So you just want axis locks on everything because it will fit every blade profile?

You know, the cbbl, comp, and bolt action could be engineered to work with almost any blade profile as well. So what's the point?

OK, that's all for me. The axis lock love is making me feel like I do when I read about people spine whacking their knives over and over trying to make them fail.

 

[BigWillie]

Good luck getting a CBBL or Bar lock to fit into a PM2 while retaining good ergos on the release

 

[SeppukuSamurai]

You constantly talk but have nothing substantive to say

Doesn't take much spatial reasoning to figure out which lock is better.

You think a liner/frame that wears away and is inherently very weak is good. Well you can believe that but back it up. Because it's ridiculous.

It's not 1995. Frame locks are terrible

I defended you in this thread, but that statement is erroneous and you know it.

Frame locks are not terrible. They're simple and work, with limitations. Much like many other tools or aspects of tools.

Nothing more, nothing less. If you prefer an axis lock, fine. If you prefer a framelock, does that make your preference terrible? C'mon man, you're giving them ammunition.

 

[BigWillie]

I defended in this thread, but the statement is erroneous and you know it.

Frame locks are not terrible. They're simple and work, with limitations. Much like many other tools or aspects of tools.

Nothing more, nothing less. If you prefer an axis lock, fine. If you prefer a framelock, does that make your preference terrible? C'mon man, you're giving them ammunition.

Terrible ergonomics

Terrible lock strength

What else do you want in a lock?

I just saw you in another thread talk about how flippers need to die lol. At least that's not an inferior deployment type. IDC if you like flippers....Just get a button lock or something.

 

[SeppukuSamurai]

Terrible ergonomics

Terrible lock strength

What else do you want in a lock?

I just saw you in another thread talk about how flippers need to die lol. At least that's not an inferior deployment type. IDC if you like flippers....Just get a button lock or something.

You're obviously emotional, I won't excite you further.

I was referring to flippers as in the people, people who flip knives for profit. Not the deployment method. Context is key.

That does, however, prove your intention. To argue. This is tantamount to trolling in my eyes.

What I said was fair. I'm not vested enough to substantiate my preference for framelocks vs whatever else, other than by saying it's my preference and that I have anecdotally used the hell out of my framelocks and have never experienced a failure. Ever.

Can they fail? Sure. So can an Axis lock.

We're knife enthusiasts, most of us, and many of our decisions are guided by passion and preference. Not pragmatism and necessity. Not even performance.

I hope you'll cede and assume a defendable position. These forums are great. Look for the common ground, not the battle field.

 

[BigWillie]

You're obviously emotional, I won't excite you further.

I was referring to flippers as in the people, people who flip knives for profit. Not the deployment method. Context is key.

That does, however, prove your intention. To argue. This is tantamount to trolling in my eyes.

What I said was fair. I'm not vested enough to substantiate my preference for framelocks vs whatever else, other than by saying it's my preference and that I have anecdotally used the hell out of my framelocks and have never experienced a failure. Ever.

Can they fail? Sure. So can an Axis lock.

We're knife enthusiasts, most of us, and many of our decisions are guided by passion and preference. Not pragmatism and necessity. Not even performance.

I hope you'll cede and assume a defendable position. These forums are great. Look for the common ground, not the battle field.

You made no attempt to defend your position beyond "it sorta works"

Just trying to justify your purchases, I'm not hte emotional one with sunk cost fallacy distorting my thoughts

Fair enough on the flippers point I wasn't really paying attention just skimmed it. Obviously i missed the gist

Emotional hahah. If you acknowledge my point then any flipper/liner lock you have loses some of it's luster. A lot of luster. Who is buying that in 2019? People who don't understand the basics of what they're buying or don't care about their hands.

You have no idea if that lock up is weak until it matters.

 

[Insipid Moniker]

You made no attempt to defend your position beyond "it sorta works"

Just trying to justify your purchases, I'm not hte emotional one with sunk cost fallacy distorting my thoughts

Fair enough on the flippers point I wasn't really paying attention just skimmed it. Obviously i missed the gist

Emotional hahah. If you acknowledge my point then any flipper/liner lock you have loses some of it's luster. A lot of luster. Who is buying that in 2019? People who don't understand the basics of what they're buying or don't care about their hands.

You have no idea if that lock up is weak until it matters.

How many lock failures have you experienced? What were you doing when they happened?

 

[SeppukuSamurai]

You made no attempt to defend your position beyond "it sorta works"

Just trying to justify your purchases, I'm not hte emotional one with sunk cost fallacy distorting my thoughts

Fair enough on the flippers point I wasn't really paying attention just skimmed it. Obviously i missed the gist

Emotional hahah. If you acknowledge my point then any flipper/liner lock you have loses some of it's luster. A lot of luster. Who is buying that in 2019? People who don't understand the basics of what they're buying or don't care about their hands.

You have no idea if that lock up is weak until it matters.

It doesn't "sort of work" man, it DOES work.

Your position is so riddled with holes you might very well need an Axis lock to keep it from collapsing. LOL.

It's actually comical you think I'm motivated by some desire to sustain the market value of the most popular locking mechanism in the industry currently.

I'm not trying to defend any position other than that yours is silly. Is the Axis lock better than the framelock? I don't know nor give not even one damn. Save that one.

Are Priuses more fuel efficient than most vehicles? Sure. Are Lamborghinis faster/more stylish. Sure.

Should we eliminate every other "inferior" model? Obviously not.

You got me to respond once more. Touche. Let's see if you can do it again. XD

 

[SeppukuSamurai]

Better yet, Willie, I want some studies buddy.

You brought the drama now bring me the dirt. Show me, unequivocally, that the Axis is king.

The triad is calling you out my man. Lots of first hand reports and even anecdotal pseudo studies.

We should just nix all other locking mechanisms save for the triad lock. They're inferior, afterall.

B BigWillie

 

[BenchCo Spydermade]

I like the axis lock more than any other lock, but I dont assume that everyone else has to. I personally dislike liner and framelocks, but for knives with flippers they tend to work best, and i like flippers, so ill deal with a well made liner or framelock if i like a knife design enough.

Id like to see more dual action button locks, more cbbl locks, and hawk locks on knives, but i think maybe liner and frame locks are just easier to produce as well.

 

[SeppukuSamurai]

I like the axis lock more than any other lock, but I dont assume that everyone else has to. I personally dislike liner and framelocks, but for knives with flippers they tend to work best, and i like flippers, so ill deal with a well made liner or framelock if i like a knife design enough.

Id like to see more dual action button locks, more cbbl locks, and hawk locks on knives, but i think maybe liner and frame locks are just easier to produce as well.

There it is, reason.

 

[marcinek]

Emotional hahah. If you acknowledge my point then any flipper/liner lock you have loses some of it's luster. A lot of luster. Who is buying that in 2019? People who don't understand the basics of what they're buying or don't care about their hands.

You have no idea if that lock up is weak until it matters.

I don't acknowledge your point and I do buy liner locks.

And I do understand what I am buying and do care about my hands.

Again, you are insulting people who disagree with you. No one who has disagreed with you has called you stupid, or laughable, or insane, or said you do not know what you are doing.

And you have done it over and over.