Spyderco knife used on poster in the UK.

[lukaszki]

That's really not fair to use a knife of well recognized brand in such poster, especially Spyderco. I guess we cannot assign any specific model because designer of the poster tried to avoid violation of copyright but he didn't know that the hole opener is pantented by Spyderco.

I've been travelling a lot to UK lately and it's a little bit sad that even with SAK in my pocket I feel there almost like a criminal...

edit:

just to add that there are always pros and cons of a strong brand.

 

[Colinz]

"Total policing"

-Scary stuff.

/C.

 

[PayetteRucker]

Syderco should come out with a butterknife called the Parliament Pansy. It'd be hot shit in Britain!

 

[enderwiggin]

Shiny footprints and all aside, Spyderco should sue for defamation of a trademark.

It would do some good.

 

[yobbos1]

Has anyone else here heard about the doctor in the UK who strongly recommended the banning and removal of all pointed kitchen knives? It boggles the mind. I sometimes think that if the bicycle were invented today it would be banned as too dangerous. Hell if it weren't so eco-friendly the PC hoards might be after it already. First take all the guns then all the knives then anything that gives a human being any sense of being able and self reliant. Force onto the population a system of learned helplessness and conditioned responses of always looking to authority (ie government) for every little need or want. There you have it Big Brother is here.

 

[gak]

Oh oh... you posted a pic of a knife on the internet. Here comes the cops...
http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/01/29/glasgow-police-crack-down-on-internet-knife-gangshuh/

 

[yobbos1]

Oh oh... you posted a pic of a knife on the internet. Here comes the cops...
http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/01/29/glasgow-police-crack-down-on-internet-knife-gangshuh/

Ugh! Just look at the little student-council-brownie-points-loving pipsqueeks they have spying on people. CADETS no less. I bet they have sore elbows from patting themselves on the back everyday for a job well done.:grumpy::jerkit:

 

[Hammer27]

Shiny footprints and all aside, Spyderco should sue for defamation of a trademark.

It would do some good.

My thoughts exactly. IIRC that round hole is a trademark just like any other.

 

[rmc85]

Maybe all of us should create fake Facebook accounts with our location listed as Glasgow. We could post up pics of all the evil things we own knives, guns, flashlights (I'm sure they'd hate my E2D), and anything else that looks evil to keep those idiots chasing their tail.

 

[nutz_about_knives]

Shiny footprints and all aside, Spyderco should sue for defamation of a trademark.

It would do some good.

I was just about to say that... You beat me to it!

 

[Yorkshire Boy]

I've never once seen an anti-knife poster.

Look at the right hand side of the poster, it mentions Merseyside. This is a local police poster for Liverpool. Obviously local Scouse lads have been up to no good, hence the offer of protection to witnesses.

As the knife is non EDC legal for the UK, a "justifiable" reason would have to be given as to why you're carrying it (work, hunting, fishing etc...). I somehow doubt that thugs would be able to give a convincing reason as to why they're carrying a non EDC blade in a city (just like they wouldn't be able to give a convincing reason for carrying a screwdriver or hammer).

 

[rmc85]

I've never once seen an anti-knife poster.

Look at the right hand side of the poster, it mentions Merseyside. This is a local police poster for Liverpool. Obviously local Scouse lads have been up to no good, hence the offer of protection to witnesses.

As the knife is non EDC legal for the UK, a "justifiable" reason would have to be given as to why you're carrying it (work, hunting, fishing etc...). I somehow doubt that thugs would be able to give a convincing reason as to why they're carrying a non EDC blade in a city (just like they wouldn't be able to give a convincing reason for carrying a screwdriver or hammer).

So your saying you see nothing wrong with that poster?

 

[elkins45]

I've never once seen an anti-knife poster.

Look at the right hand side of the poster, it mentions Merseyside. This is a local police poster for Liverpool. Obviously local Scouse lads have been up to no good, hence the offer of protection to witnesses.

As the knife is non EDC legal for the UK, a "justifiable" reason would have to be given as to why you're carrying it (work, hunting, fishing etc...). I somehow doubt that thugs would be able to give a convincing reason as to why they're carrying a non EDC blade in a city (just like they wouldn't be able to give a convincing reason for carrying a screwdriver or hammer).

How about for hammering or screwing? Are those convincing reasons?

This type of totalitarianism can't be justified. Ever. You do your countrymen a disservice by trying to mitigate it in any way. It does not matter if it's just for a neighborhood or the whole country: an unjust law is an unjust law.

Sue 'em Sal!

 

[Yorkshire Boy]

How about for hammering or screwing? Are those convincing reasons?

This type of totalitarianism can't be justified. Ever. You do your countrymen a disservice by trying to mitigate it in any way. It does not matter if it's just for a neighborhood or the whole country: an unjust law is an unjust law.

Sue 'em Sal!

Spiderco can sue, I never said otherwise.

As for hammering and screwing? What we're talking about aren't tradesmen making their way to and from work. We're talking about boys and young men, aka thugs between 14-20yrs old, walking the streets with items that are for the sole purpose of injuring and intimidating people (screw drivers, hammers, knives etc...).

Where's the unjust law in that?

Do you mean our EDC law? Because once you have a "reason" to be carrying a non EDC blade we can carry most anything we want (machete, axe, or whatever...) apart from balisongs and automatics. What are your states knife laws?

Tell you what, why not leave your guns behind in America and do a tour of English council estates, then tell me what you think.

 

[rmc85]

Spiderco can sue, I never said otherwise.

As for hammering and screwing? What we're talking about aren't tradesmen making their way to and from work. We're talking about boys and young men, aka thugs between 14-20yrs old, walking the streets with items that are for the sole purpose of injuring and intimidating people (screw drivers, hammers, knives etc...).

Where's the unjust law in that?

Do you mean our EDC law? Because once you have a "reason" to be carrying a non EDC blade we can carry most anything we want (machete, axe, or whatever...) apart from balisongs and automatics. What are your states knife laws?

Tell you what, why not leave your guns behind in America and do a tour of English council estates, then tell me what you think.

So did you type this because you feel that way or did your Government tell you that you feel that way? It seems they regulate everything else in your life so why not your BF posts too!

 

[GIRLYmann]

this poster can't help but makes one wonder just how many "knife-related crimes" have for a fact been carried out with the use of a "Spyderco-type" folding knife in the UK...
that being the case, could be a gross injustice and blatant misrepresentation to every party!

 

[Haze]

Spiderco can sue, I never said otherwise.

As for hammering and screwing? What we're talking about aren't tradesmen making their way to and from work. We're talking about boys and young men, aka thugs between 14-20yrs old, walking the streets with items that are for the sole purpose of injuring and intimidating people (screw drivers, hammers, knives etc...).

Where's the unjust law in that?

Do you mean our EDC law? Because once you have a "reason" to be carrying a non EDC blade we can carry most anything we want (machete, axe, or whatever...) apart from balisongs and automatics. What are your states knife laws?

Tell you what, why not leave your guns behind in America and do a tour of English council estates, then tell me what you think.

I think the ever more severe laws in the UK are quite useless and unjust in that they only "target" law abiding citizens and not the criminals who don't give a flip any way.
The big difference in the US and UK is that our friends in the US can carry a gun or in many places a knife for self defence, in the UK that in it's self is a crime.

It's clearly missed the masses that having an armed population would actually decrease crime in the long run, but hay ho that's not what the goals are obviously.

 

[Yorkshire Boy]

So did you type this because you feel that way or did your Government tell you that you feel that way? It seems they regulate everything else in your life so why not your BF posts too!

Before moving to Wales, I worked in referral centres in Leeds and Bradford. These centres were for children who weren't allowed to go to mainstream schools because of their behaviour. The ages that I worked with were from 6-16yrs.

In order for these children to attend these specialist centres their carers had to sign a policy that allowed (should the need arise) them to be physically restrained. Some days I would do as many as 8 restraints a day.

Many of the children were in care and foster homes and were on the "at risk" register. This meant that they'd been abused in the past or had been exposed to "not very nice" things (like crack addicts for parents).

Other children were ASBO'd up to the eye balls and had a police record as long as your arm. The council estates where these kids lived were bleak and frightening places to be.

At work I would have either a SAK or Leatherman with me. When the opportunity availed itself I would use one of these in front of the boys. With out fail it would bring cries of "who are you going to stab?" and other such things. To these children even a simple pocket knife was viewed as a weapon.

I'm not chatting shit here. I know what the youth underclass is like in the UK and it's not pretty.

True, blame the person and not the tool, I agree with that 100%. But if a person is carrying something with the sole intent on harming someone else then I think they should get the book thrown at them. "Hoodies" with non EDC blades, hammers (or whatever) should be taken to the police station and be prosecuted and fined.

Too often I see people jumping to conclusions about the UK. The supposed UK scout ban on pocket knives was one such example. Everyone weighed in on the subject, yet in the end it was a bullsh#t story wasn't it?

I do my bit to educate "at risk" children (the ones who might just give you a beating when you come out of the chip shop with your girlfriend). WTF do you lot do but moan and bicker about stuff that goes on in other people's countries.

Fire making with a boy who lives in care and who suffered extreme abuse until the age of 6.

 

[rmc85]

Before moving to Wales, I worked in referral centres in Leeds and Bradford. These centres were for children who weren't allowed to go to mainstream schools because of their behaviour. The ages that I worked with were from 6-16yrs.

In order for these children to attend these specialist centres their carers had to sign a policy that allowed (should the need arise) them to be physically restrained. Some days I would do as many as 8 restraints a day.

Many of the children were in care and foster homes and were on the "at risk" register. This meant that they'd been abused in the past or had been exposed to "not very nice" things (like crack addicts for parents).

Other children were ASBO'd up to the eye balls and had a police record as long as your arm. The council estates where these kids lived were bleak and frightening places to be.

At work I would have either a SAK or Leatherman with me. When the opportunity availed itself I would use one of these in front of the boys. With out fail it would bring cries of "who are you going to stab?" and other such things. To these children even a simple pocket knife was viewed as a weapon.

I'm not chatting shit here. I know what the youth underclass is like in the UK and it's not pretty.

True, blame the person and not the tool, I agree with that 100%. But if a person is carrying something with the sole intent on harming someone else then I think they should get the book thrown at them. "Hoodies" with non EDC blades, hammers (or whatever) should be taken to the police station and be prosecuted and fined.

Too often I see people jumping to conclusions about the UK. The supposed UK scout ban on pocket knives was one such example. Everyone weighed in on the subject, yet in the end it was a bullsh#t story wasn't it?

I do my bit to educate "at risk" children (the ones who might just give you a beating when you come out of the chip shop with your girlfriend). WTF do you lot do but moan and bicker about stuff that goes on in other people's countries.

Fire making with a boy who lives in care and who suffered extreme abuse until the age of 6.

I remember reading about your job in the RAT forum and you seem to be good at it. My problem is the "lets ban things rather than addressing the problem" logic that seems to prevail in the UK.

I work at a Public Defenders Office so I see thugs, robbers, rapists, muggers, carjackers, and all the other criminals on a daily basis. I know exactly how these people operate and I've tossed more than one crackhead out of our office. It doesn't matter how many laws any government puts in place because criminals will keep breaking them. The thought of my government restricting my rights because of what someone else MIGHT do is ridiculous. I'm not worried about defending myself from thugs at all...

Your the one that started down that "lets start a which country is better pissing match" road with this comment...

Tell you what, why not leave your guns behind in America and do a tour of English council estates, then tell me what you think.
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[elkins45]

Spiderco can sue, I never said otherwise.

As for hammering and screwing? What we're talking about aren't tradesmen making their way to and from work. We're talking about boys and young men, aka thugs between 14-20yrs old, walking the streets with items that are for the sole purpose of injuring and intimidating people (screw drivers, hammers, knives etc...).

Where's the unjust law in that?

Do you mean our EDC law? Because once you have a "reason" to be carrying a non EDC blade we can carry most anything we want (machete, axe, or whatever...) apart from balisongs and automatics. What are your states knife laws?

Tell you what, why not leave your guns behind in America and do a tour of English council estates, then tell me what you think.

Yes, I mean your EDC law. What is a 'non-EDC blade'? The term is foreign to me and it makes me throw up in my mouth a little.

Here in Kentucky an EDC blade is whatever I choose it to be, not what the nanny state tells me. In a nutshell our laws say you can carry anything openly, and can carry 'ordinary pocket or hunting' knives concealed. With a concealed carry permit (we are a shall-issue state) you can carry absolutely anything you want including autos.

Why would I ever want to do a tour of English council estates? I learned all I needed to know from that poster.