Spyderco knife used on poster in the UK.

[rmc85]

That's a different scenario because it's a knife in the picture, not a child (do you seriously expect me to answer your question?).

Have you read the britishblades link and what Sal had to say on the matter?

Yeah. He said it was dumb and he wasnt sure he could do anything about it.

 

[nu3gawhat]

I think you took that comment the wrong way, I didn't think of it as a "my country is better than yours", indeed far from it, the opposite I was thinking.

I think Americans have a rather quaint idea that because Britain isn't armed, then there's no violence here. There are some very rough and dangerous people here. Hence my suggestion to leave your guns behind and to come and do a tour of British cities, visiting the worst council estates in each one.

Perhaps some of you might get an idea what's going on.

In fact, the next time any of you are in the UK why not visit Merseyside on a Friday and Saturday night, I recommend the Toxteth area especially.

I actually think the other way around. I think its insane that your governments trying to restrict tools and weapons from law abiding people because of crime and while your crime has been on the rise.

That poster doesn't in anyway make any knife law changes. Things are still the same, EDC and "reason" to carry non EDC.

Rather, it's aimed at a local community where street violence and weapon carry happens. It offers protection to witnesses of street violence, asking them to come forward and name the perpetrators (who obviously live in the local area).

As Haze says you can carry what you want until you get searched.

One would think that inner-city youths (who are known to the police) get stop and searched fairly regularly (for drugs and weapons).

I've never been stop and searched, neither has anyone I've known.

I don't get searched either, however that doesn't mean there wouldn't be some un-foreseeable reason for a search in the future. Making it illegal for a law abiding person to be in possession of tools or weapons, is ridiculous. Saying its ok to carry, until you get searched doesn't change the fact your breaking the law the whole time.

Didn't I asked why carry knives with you all day ( " EDC " ).You can " defend " yourself with knife, you don't need knife for fast food, you can't hunt on the streets ( but it's good idea ). Yes, knives are not killers, they are " weapon of crime " if someone got hurt. Knives like Benchmade Dejavoo can make it easier to cut or stab someone if attacks you. Still, you are that who doing crime.
Dejavoo is for military and police, or hunters and outdoor enthusiasts ( like myself ), not " EDC ". In my country you can't carry knife on the public place ( street is all so public place ). I didn't mentioned Dejavoo with no reason - this knife one of most dangerous folding knives of all times, of course if is in wrong hands. On this knife line of tip goes right in the middle line of grip - pure dagger. Lock is weak? Just try it! Blade has maximum length for this size. If you are policemen who stab this knife in bag in search for drug - OK, but if you attacked and frightened this knife can do such carnage to a man all most like fixed combat blade. In split of second turn you in to killer. Such knives don't belong to a public places. I think policemen on streets shouldn't carry such knives, not to mention regular people ( " RG " )!

lol ? Hilarious. Since when is self-defense a criminal act? I carry a handgun, for self defense. Like many other fellow citizens. Guess what? Crimes been going down. I carry a knife as a tool. I use it as a tool.

 

[bekylane]

What ridiculous FUD propaganda. It reminds me of a time when a violence in video games poster contained an image of a custom DDR Balisong without his permission.

 

[kungfucowboy]

I didn't mentioned Dejavoo with no reason - this knife one of most dangerous folding knives of all times, of course if is in wrong hands.

and your average steak knife, cooks knife, baseball bat etc is even more deadly.

The point is, if someone is carrying a knife with the intent to hurt or kill someone they have already decided to break the law against murder or assault, why would they care if there is a law against carrying some object?

If a person has no intention to assault or kill or perform some bad action with an oject then there is no reason for them not to carry it as they are not a danger to society.

this is why many people on forums like this say that prohibiting objects has much to do with controlling people and little to do with stopping crime.

 

[Haze]

We just need to find some friendly Scousers to colour in the Spyder holes on all the posters and write "mantis" or "dark ops" on the blades. :thumbup:

 

[phaserrifle]

It's clearly missed the masses that having an armed population would actually decrease crime in the long run, but hay ho that's not what the goals are obviously.

a little history of the origional firearms bans in the UK:
the first bans occured after WW1 due to fears of a revolution along the lines of the russian one. nothing to do with reducing crime, everything to do with keeping the govorment of the time in power.
the most recent sets of legislation where knee jerk responses to the dunblane massacre, and a couple of high profile shootings by gang related teenagers.
last set didn't even really affect real guns, the restrictions can't get much tighter without causing huge problems due to the bird shooting groups and the legitimate users of other calibers such as those involved in the new forest deer cull. the new laws only really affected replicas, most of which cost more than a real gun (allegedly).

 

[Haze]

a little history of the origional firearms bans in the UK:
the first bans occured after WW1 due to fears of a revolution along the lines of the russian one. nothing to do with reducing crime, everything to do with keeping the govorment of the time in power.
the most recent sets of legislation where knee jerk responses to the dunblane massacre, and a couple of high profile shootings by gang related teenagers.
last set didn't even really affect real guns, the restrictions can't get much tighter without causing huge problems due to the bird shooting groups and the legitimate users of other calibers such as those involved in the new forest deer cull. the new laws only really affected replicas, most of which cost more than a real gun (allegedly).

Having worked as a forester and been around the gamekeeping scene for many
years I am fully aware of the whats, whys, and whos of the gun ban escapades.

Rural gun owner ship and as part of a job is not really a problem in the UK, although it has of
course taken hits. I'm talking about the carrying of a weapon (of any sort) for defence purposes.

 

[shunsui]

Eric Arthur Blair should have been the Man of the Century for the 20th century.

 

[walleyeguy7]

ugh...

 

[Planterz]

I think Americans have a rather quaint idea that because Britain isn't armed, then there's no violence here. There are some very rough and dangerous people here.

I think Britons have a rather quaint idea that America is the Wild Wild West with gunfights breaking out in the streets every night.

Hence my suggestion to leave your guns behind and to come and do a tour of British cities, visiting the worst council estates in each one

Sounds like I'd want a gun with me. Exactly what are you arguing for/against here?

Seriously, I really don't understand what you're arguing here. Crime is the issue here, not the object which is being used to commit the crimes (guns or knives).

UK's "logic" seems to follow this path:

1. People are committing crimes.

2. People are committing crimes with knives.

3. Ban knives and people will no longer commit crimes with knives.

It's a total non-sequitur. Do you really think that there is some chav thinking:

"I need some money. I think I'll mug somebody. A knife would work good. Oh wait, knives are illegal and dangerous to the fabric of society. Rats. I guess I won't be mugging anybody today."

Maybe he'll balk at the increased penalty committing a crime using a knife and choose another tool (ice pick, billy club, cricket bat, whatever), but probably not. And in any case, somebody's getting mugged, and their life is in danger.

Meanwhile, responsible knife collectors and users are stuck with a very limited choice of knives to carry/use, and even then there's some fear that their oppressive fascist government bringing the hammer down on them, even though they've done nothing wrong.

 

[Haze]

I think Britons have a rather quaint idea that America is the Wild Wild West with gunfights breaking out in the streets every night.

What ? you mean........... .....

Sounds like I'd want a gun with me. Exactly what are you arguing for/against here?

Seriously, I really don't understand what you're arguing here. Crime is the issue here, not the object which is being used to commit the crimes (guns or knives).

UK's "logic" seems to follow this path:

1. People are committing crimes.

2. People are committing crimes with knives.

3. Ban knives and people will no longer commit crimes with knives.

It's a total non-sequitur. Do you really think that there is some chav thinking:

"I need some money. I think I'll mug somebody. A knife would work good. Oh wait, knives are illegal and dangerous to the fabric of society. Rats. I guess I won't be mugging anybody today."

Maybe he'll balk at the increased penalty committing a crime using a knife and choose another tool (ice pick, billy club, cricket bat, whatever), but probably not. And in any case, somebody's getting mugged, and their life is in danger.

Meanwhile, responsible knife collectors and users are stuck with a very limited choice of knives to carry/use, and even then there's some fear that their oppressive fascist government bringing the hammer down on them, even though they've done nothing wrong.

:thumbup:

One thing I'll add, "chavs" tend to be junkies too (or not far off), they aren't even thinking about the time they
"might" do so it has no effect at all on crime. They would probably have a bat of some kind as well any way.

I don't know if you have ever spent any time in Liverpool but that "antiknife" poster will stop exactly no one from carrying a knife that wants to.

 

[Planterz]

Wasn't there a similar poster in V for Vendetta? Not about knives, but about spying on and turning in your friends and neighbors?

 

[Haze]

Wasn't there a similar poster in V for Vendetta? Not about knives, but about spying on and turning in your friends and neighbors?

There has been many "grass on your mates for money" campaigns in the UK for a number of things.
They are usually for drink driving or domestic violence though so i have no problem with that.

While I would personaly dish out a face tasting my self to those idiots but they do deserve board and lodgings at her majestys pleasure.

 

[bradefolums]

Syderco should come out with a butterknife called the Parliament Pansy. It'd be hot shit in Britain!

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[puukkoman]

Ugh. A population deprived of access to simple tools because of the behavior of a segment of the same.

I wonder if things would have turned out differently if the law-abiding portion of the population had not been so repressed to begin with... When you groom a nation of people into patsies -- er, passive, knee-jerk responsive drones -- who can't take care of themselves, then you'll likely wind up with a society wherein most of the adults are afraid of hammer-wielding children.

 

[puukkoman]

a little history of the origional firearms bans in the UK:
the first bans occured after WW1 due to fears of a revolution along the lines of the russian one. nothing to do with reducing crime, everything to do with keeping the govorment of the time in power.

There's the major difference between Britain and the US (and has always been so). Britain is a monarchy-driven empire concerned with subjugating the masses, whereas the US and A (to quote Borat... ) is concerned with keeping power in the hands of the people (at least on paper, at the beginning).

 

[MikeC]

Instead of bashing one another on this site how about writing a letter to the police department that put up the poster. I just did and here it is below.

Star of letter left in general comments section of UK police department website

Seriously? Now the UK police are pocket knife patrol? Leading the good slaves like lambs to the slaughter hey? I guess this won't end over there across the pond until what was once your free citizenry is left naked and bloody in the street. Way to go guys, I especially like the icon on your home page concerning what is the helicopter doing over my house. Why keeping you safe of course? What a joke, thanks for reinforcing that nagging feeling in my stomach that reminds me to scratch England of my list of places to visit.

Let me pose this question to you, I guess you eat with a fork and a weapon? Better yet are all knives used to stab people or for malicious purposes? Hmmnn, let me guess the answers to those questions. It would be a resounding NO to both, but yet in your zealousness to bow at the alter of the State you've got to demonize what is universally recognized as mans first and most basic tool. A tool which not only made modern life possible but a tool despite all of our advancements that man can still not live without. Classic.

With your stance on Global Warming and legislating everyone to roll back their lifestyle by decades to lessen their carbon foot print how are they going to survive without a pocket knife?
This is sophistry of the highest order and beyond foolish.

Jolly good chaps, keep up the good work I'll sleep sounder tonight on my side of the pond knowing you guys are watching out for dangerous tools and monitoring neighborhoods full of soccer moms and overworked Dads with a multi-million dollar military aircraft.

End of letter

Just so you know on the home page of their website their is an icon with a surveillance helicopter hovering over a neighborhood with a question posed as "What is the helicopter doing over my house"? Nice. Stop bickering and start fighting back or this is the kinda crap were gonna have here in short order.

 

[Lycosa]

Did Sal sue yet??