Spyderco knives???????

OP, I noticed you were logged in not long ago.

Some have asked what model it was.
Could you please tell us what model it was ?

I bought my first Spyderco(and Endura) in the early 90's and the quality was very high. The knife has been used a lot, and it still hasn't developed any blade play or given me any trouble at all.
 
Looks to be another hit and run just to ruffle feathers. Maybe he's busy playing Resident Evil?????? :rolleyes:
 
I have never had a spyderco that could not hold an edge. I've had about 10 different ones. And I like all of them except the endura and that's
just personal preference. It held an edge just fine. Just didn't like the look of it.

What are you cutting every day? That could have something to do with edge retention.
 
I've got a cheap one (Persistence) and a nice one (Manix 2 G-10). Both are outstanding quality. That's not "good for the money". They're great users.
 
I currently own more Spyderco knives than any other brand. I have not had any problems with any of them.

I did have a FFG delica that I was having trouble keeping sharp. I sent it back to Spyderco for service and they hardness tested the blade for me. The blade was fine - it was more of an issue with my sharpening abilities at the time (VG-10 sometimes gets a persistent burr)
 
Only Spyderco I've ever disliked was a Tenacious I mistakenly got from Amazon.
They were supposed to send me a PE Pacific Salt, they sent me a CE Tenacious... >_>
So I sent it back. They sent me *ANOTHER* CE Tenacious, but the second one was better quality than the first.

The first one they sent was just bad. I dunno how to explain it. The detent was weak and F&F was terrible.
For whatever reason, I choose to blame Amazon and not Spyderco for that one.
Every other Spyderco I've ever owned has been absolutely excellent.
 
I love spyderco! Not sure about the southard though. People seem to love it, but the price for a knife made outside the us is a lot. Pretty much anything made in golden is really good. I have a wave endura that is really good to though.
This is my problem with Spyderco. I just can't see the money for a knife like the Southard. It's made in Taiwan for craps sake. Sure they are well made. So are many other imports that sell for less and I mean a pile of money less. The couple of Spydercos I have are excellent knives made in Colorado.
 
This is my problem with Spyderco. I just can't see the money for a knife like the Southard. It's made in Taiwan for craps sake. Sure they are well made. So are many other imports that sell for less and I mean a pile of money less. The couple of Spydercos I have are excellent knives made in Colorado.

Taichung Spydercos are regarded by many as having slightly higher quality than even the Golden made models. If you don't want to buy a knife made in Taiwan for political/economic reasons I think that's fine, but don't be fooled into thinking they don't make an exceptionally high quality product there.
 
This is my problem with Spyderco. I just can't see the money for a knife like the Southard. It's made in Taiwan for craps sake. Sure they are well made. So are many other imports that sell for less and I mean a pile of money less. The couple of Spydercos I have are excellent knives made in Colorado.

Sigh. Have you ever judged a knife based on the individual model's merits instead of what country it was produced in? I hate to break it to you, but Taiwanese Spydercos have better quality then U.S. made Spydercos.

I feel kinda bad for people that choose to only buy made in America products. They limit themselves so much. But hey, got to support 'Murica, right?
 
This is my problem with Spyderco. I just can't see the money for a knife like the Southard. It's made in Taiwan for craps sake. Sure they are well made. So are many other imports that sell for less and I mean a pile of money less. The couple of Spydercos I have are excellent knives made in Colorado.

The thing is much more complex than what you and "therealwitch" make it out to be. It's much more than a knife made in Taiwan. If you can't see past that aspect then a few things are happening here.

The first is that you obviously don't know Spyderco. Their first knives were produced in Japan, and were for a good long time. Without that, you'd not have any Spydercos made in Golden. That is where the profit goes for those knives, to Golden, Co.

Secondly, you don't know much about Sal. He researches things to the ends of the Earth, and is one of the most down to Earth and most transparent guys in the industry. That isn't opinion either, it's a well known fact.he wouldn't be where he is and Spyderco would have dried up if he didn't find the best makers and highest quality people to do the work.

Third, you might not understand anything about business as it pertains to the here and now. With limited production capacity in Colorado, where would these knives be made? Maybe Maniago would be willing to try and make them, maybe they have their hands full. Lionsteel has a ton of their own products and collabs on the plate already. China? Not an option and Sal probably knew it would work out. Japan? Well Moki and the Seki City manufacturers both will not use "foreign made steel" as they truly believe it is inferior to their own steel produced in Japan. So, discard a great opportunity to expand a line up? Chances to work with a high quality and trustworthy manufacturer not necessary? Make expansion of the Golden, Co facility a financial impossibility?

Finally, you might not know materials in knives well enough to realize the cost of manufacturing (machining, heat treating, fitting, labor, etc). If it were not for this manufacturer, a lot of knives wouldn't exist, and Spyderco may have suffered for it. The economy isn't in a friendly and simple climate for growth the last few years in case you hadn't noticed.

Look, I'm the last one to advocate buying knives made in China. My family and I try to buy as much US made as we can at every opportunity. We read labels, research country of origin, and ingredients on just about everything we buy.i want to support American workers and American businesses as much as the next guy. Spyderco isn't owned by the Chinese anymore than Buck or Benchmade (although both companies have items produced offshore). It's important to support American workers IMO, despite folks that may not fully understand. In the end, buy what you like. But keep in mind Taiwan isn't the same thing as China. Most folks over there want their freedom, but telling that to the government is easier thought than said and impossibly done (up to now).
 
Depending on the model, the quality will vary. As others have noted, Spyderco has become one of the most copied knife makers in history (probably second only to Buck.)

Chances are you had a knife in AUS6 or a steel like that. If it was a knockoff, it was probably low-grade 440. Either way, edge retention is terrible compared to today's standards. It's worth noting that the Delica back in the day was priced very differently than the Delica of today...reflecting differences in performance and materials.

Spyderco makes very high quality knives, custom-level quality knives, and low-level entry level knives. It depends on the model type. The heart and soul of their company, the Endura and Delica (which really changed folding knives on a large scale), are exceptional and IMHO among the finest cutting tools ever made in history. The base VG-10 steel is tough, stays sharp, and easy to maintain. A $60 Delica 4 is a value that is very hard to beat.

In terms of steels, Spyderco has really become one of the pioneering companies when it comes to newer (and older) steels. They are often among the first to introduce exotic steels, often the first to introduce low-cost exotic steels (ZDP-189, SuperBlue, and some of the CTS or Bohler super steels, for example.) As a general rule, they reach notable competency in hardening and so the heat treatments of their steels results in them performing among the best in their respective class (for example, I think the S30V on the Paramilitary 2 is better than most other S30V I have used.) They spend a TON of time and money working on different steels and collaborating with the best steel makers in the business...the many posts of Sal himself on steel findings quickly shows just how hardcore they are in R&D.

In terms of geometric design, they often also are on the front lines. Spyderco really brought back the flat grinds and full flat grinds on a widescale commercial basis...now the FFG is huge and preferred by many. Their grinds are reasonably even for a production knife, and the edges come in reasonably good shape for a production knife (no production knife is going to achieve perfection here.) They also have introduced many unique blade shapes...probably more so than any other maker.

In terms of handles and locks, they offer a ton of options. This is often where people love/hate as some of them are very unusual from other makers.

If you give Spyderco another try, my vote is for trying something like a Delica or Endura in VG-10, perhaps a Paramilitary 2 or a Manix in S30V. These knives use steels that put down respectable performance, with good edge geometrics and are on a handle/lock with strength and comfort. They are IMO some of the finest knives made.
 
Depending on the model, the quality will vary. As others have noted, Spyderco has become one of the most copied knife makers in history (probably second only to Buck.)

Chances are you had a knife in AUS6 or a steel like that. If it was a knockoff, it was probably low-grade 440. Either way, edge retention is terrible compared to today's standards. It's worth noting that the Delica back in the day was priced very differently than the Delica of today...reflecting differences in performance and materials.

Spyderco makes very high quality knives, custom-level quality knives, and low-level entry level knives. It depends on the model type. The heart and soul of their company, the Endura and Delica (which really changed folding knives on a large scale), are exceptional and IMHO among the finest cutting tools ever made in history. The base VG-10 steel is tough, stays sharp, and easy to maintain. A $60 Delica 4 is a value that is very hard to beat.

In terms of steels, Spyderco has really become one of the pioneering companies when it comes to newer (and older) steels. They are often among the first to introduce exotic steels, often the first to introduce low-cost exotic steels (ZDP-189, SuperBlue, and some of the CTS or Bohler super steels, for example.) As a general rule, they reach notable competency in hardening and so the heat treatments of their steels results in them performing among the best in their respective class (for example, I think the S30V on the Paramilitary 2 is better than most other S30V I have used.) They spend a TON of time and money working on different steels and collaborating with the best steel makers in the business...the many posts of Sal himself on steel findings quickly shows just how hardcore they are in R&D.

In terms of geometric design, they often also are on the front lines. Spyderco really brought back the flat grinds and full flat grinds on a widescale commercial basis...now the FFG is huge and preferred by many. Their grinds are reasonably even for a production knife, and the edges come in reasonably good shape for a production knife (no production knife is going to achieve perfection here.) They also have introduced many unique blade shapes...probably more so than any other maker.

In terms of handles and locks, they offer a ton of options. This is often where people love/hate as some of them are very unusual from other makers.

If you give Spyderco another try, my vote is for trying something like a Delica or Endura in VG-10, perhaps a Paramilitary 2 or a Manix in S30V. These knives use steels that put down respectable performance, with good edge geometrics and are on a handle/lock with strength and comfort. They are IMO some of the finest knives made.

^^
Very well said!
 
The thing is much more complex than what you and "therealwitch" make it out to be. It's much more than a knife made in Taiwan. If you can't see past that aspect then a few things are happening here.

The first is that you obviously don't know Spyderco. Their first knives were produced in Japan, and were for a good long time. Without that, you'd not have any Spydercos made in Golden. That is where the profit goes for those knives, to Golden, Co.

Secondly, you don't know much about Sal. He researches things to the ends of the Earth, and is one of the most down to Earth and most transparent guys in the industry. That isn't opinion either, it's a well known fact.he wouldn't be where he is and Spyderco would have dried up if he didn't find the best makers and highest quality people to do the work.

Third, you might not understand anything about business as it pertains to the here and now. With limited production capacity in Colorado, where would these knives be made? Maybe Maniago would be willing to try and make them, maybe they have their hands full. Lionsteel has a ton of their own products and collabs on the plate already. China? Not an option and Sal probably knew it would work out. Japan? Well Moki and the Seki City manufacturers both will not use "foreign made steel" as they truly believe it is inferior to their own steel produced in Japan. So, discard a great opportunity to expand a line up? Chances to work with a high quality and trustworthy manufacturer not necessary? Make expansion of the Golden, Co facility a financial impossibility?

Finally, you might not know materials in knives well enough to realize the cost of manufacturing (machining, heat treating, fitting, labor, etc). If it were not for this manufacturer, a lot of knives wouldn't exist, and Spyderco may have suffered for it. The economy isn't in a friendly and simple climate for growth the last few years in case you hadn't noticed.

Look, I'm the last one to advocate buying knives made in China. My family and I try to buy as much US made as we can at every opportunity. We read labels, research country of origin, and ingredients on just about everything we buy.i want to support American workers and American businesses as much as the next guy. Spyderco isn't owned by the Chinese anymore than Buck or Benchmade (although both companies have items produced offshore). It's important to support American workers IMO, despite folks that may not fully understand. In the end, buy what you like. But keep in mind Taiwan isn't the same thing as China. Most folks over there want their freedom, but telling that to the government is easier thought than said and impossibly done (up to now).

All great points. I would also like to add that many of the materials come from the United States. Last I checked, Taiwan does not have any steel used in knives. Taiwan knives typically use Carpenter and Cruible steels, both United States companies. The blade steel, clips, and most G10 come from the US. I have never heard the origin of the carbon fiber/G10, Ti, or steel for liners though. While you may not be supporting American jobs to assemble your knives, you are supporting American jobs to manufacture some raw materials, ship them to Taiwan and back, and Spyderco employees to manage the process and do quality control. It is very similar although not as complex as the current auto industry.
 
I really feel compelled to say that this thread was very close to headed South. I really think that the class and the passionate folks that frequent the Spyderco sub forum have prevented that. I spend most of my BF time here on Spyderco, and this is why. They are by far my favorite production knife company, and I can see by these posts that I am not alone.

To the OP: I hope that you come back to this thread and read through it. You will find several people that are very passionate about a great company. More importantly, a classy group of folks. I see why I spend so much time here. :)
 
I've been trending towards more spendy knives in the recent months, but here's the truth (well, my opinion really): Spydercos bar none are the most ergonomic and best cutting knives on the market, period. And you don't have to spend an arm and a leg for one....and the selection of steels to choose from is amazing. I'm down to just three: my first PM2 in S30V, Gayle Bradley in M4 (I feel the best production folder under $150 made), and Delica in VG-10...three amazing tools that I won't part with. I could see a Slysz Bowie making it's way to my house, and if I ever wear out that Delica, I'll just replace it with another probably in ZDP.
 
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