Spyderco Lynx!

I know my opinion is worth as much as you paid for it, but I think Spyderco is getting behind some other companies (BM, REKAT, SOG) in designing utility styled knives with bullet-proof locks. Spyderco has, IMHO, some of the best designs around with the hole being the single best device to open a manual knife. They also have perfectly executed linerlocks/ lockbacks. That is why I carry ONLY Spyderco knives. That is why I think this knife should be designed with a premium steel (BG-42/ VG-10) and G-10/ textured micarta. Honestly, I could live without the "pugs" if costs would be prohibitive. It would be great if both FRN/ATS-34 and G-10/ VG-10 versions could be produced. This is a great blade style for utility uses, and I would really like to see it in my pockets. Unfortunatly, I probably won't if it is only available in FRN
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The additional set up costs and using ATS-34 as a blade steel may also place it out of the usual FRN buyers price range.

Hopefully this knife will see g-10/ premium steel. If not, I hope Sal has some surprises for us in the near future.

[This message has been edited by det (edited 06-17-2001).]
 
Only one unsolicited opinion, but if:
1) the "pugs" add a very significant amount of cost to the manufacturing process (which they do) and,
2) they provide no performance-enhancing functionality,
it makes sense in my tiny little head that they should be dropped.

To have to drop down to FRN because the little pawprints couldn't be milled into the G10 would be a shame. The Wegner is one of the absolute faves among the folks here & there is interest in the new knife. To produce something less than what the knife could be would be a little disapointing.

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Well I will probablty get heat for this but after holding my full size Wegner and then Wegner Jr and my Calypso Jr (FRN) I think it sounds like an awesome size and a definate user. I could go for the FRN handle as long as it has some pattern for grip (like Calypso jr?) but how about VG-10 Steel? I still think this steel rocks. How much more are we talking then some of the other knives in this combo? I think it would still be a saleable item. Just my 2 cents worth.

Jey
 
Sal,

Can we have our cake and eat it too? Why not come out with a lower end Lynx with ATS-34, etc. and the FRN handle AND a higher end G10 version with BG42 and the pugs for sale through Blade-Tech? I think that would pacify everyone.

Chris
 
Tim would like to make both G10 and FRN versions as well. I think it would be difficult to pull off.

As mentioned, it's an extra model that would have to displace something else, be tooled, inventoried, promoted, etc.

Also our Golden plant is pretty close to capacity with two new models going into the system.

I'm not saying impossible, just very difficult.

sal
 
Sal,

I understand your dilemma. You guys are the ones that see the big picture when it comes to introducing new products, so I'm sure y'all will make the right decision. With that said, I'll have to state that the prototype Lynx was the production knife highlight of my Blade show. I really got psyched when I saw one in the display case. I just wish I had known they were for sale before I spent all my money (and then some). I sincerely hope that the prototype makes it into production unscathed, else I'll have to talk Dexter out of his
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Thanks,
Chris
 
The Lynx protos were for sale?!?!?
*now in a deep funk*
Are there any available?
Thx in advance...
Mike

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Rugger - Tim was selling the protos at the Blade Show. AFAIK by the time the show ended on Sunday all were spoken for. I'll try to get scans up of mine over the next couple days. It is a really sweet piece! Much improved over the existing C48.

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Gentlemen,
I am new to this forum and would first of all like to say hello to you all.

Now, on to the Lynx:
First of all, a Spyderco/Wegner collaboration is always bound to be a winner...

As there seems to be a tendency towards the FRN-handles due to the Pugs, I would like to add some thoughts:
This knife will most likely be used as a utility/hunting knife, and this is why IMHO it really begs for those extremely durable and grippy G10-scales, just like those on the Military and the Starmate (my current hunting knife, which, btw, has provided excellent service on some dozen deer and boar).
Field dressing lots of big game in dark, cold and wet environments has taught me the values of G10. FRN is, IMHO, in its overall properties somewhat inferior to G10.
Trading the G10 scales for Pugs on FRN doesn't seem to be a good deal...
I don't need any Pugs on the knife, what I need is the best handle material available.
Thus, lets make it the "normal", undecorated G10-scales just like those on the Starmates, C48s and Militaries.

As to the steel, I would vote for anything in the range of ATS 34, VG10 or CPM440V. BG42 would definately be great, but, just like the Pugs milled in G10, is probably too expensive...
 
To address the prototypes and their availability. I talked to Tim late last week about the prototypes and what was available. All that had been assembled were spoken for. There are a few of others to be assembled, a couple were numbered and the last couple were to have G10 laminate with green handles and black pugs. I sent him a check for a laminated version. I believe that all may be spoken for by now.

Jeff

[This message has been edited by jeffj (edited 06-20-2001).]
 
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Dexter Ewing:
Much improved over the existing C48.
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Maybe I missed the point, but I don't think that the Lynx is supposed to be an improved C48. I think that they're seperate knives, with seperate target markets. The C48 may be going the way of the dinosaurs, but to call the Lynx it's improved successor is, IMHO, heresy. An improved C49 I'll gladly sign off on, but Big Wegner stands seperate and alone.

I liked the design and implementation as presented in Atlanta, and I think it makes a great "urban pocket carry" supplement to the Pro Hunter line, but without the size and heft, it's far from a replacement for the C48.

Put the FRN handle and ATS-34 on the Lynx, and it's just another knife among hundreds. YET ANOTHER knife designed to chase the low-end consumer is not an improvement, it's a compromise.

 
Thanx Guys- (JeffJ, Brian, Dexter, & Co.)
I've just sent Mr. Wegner an E-mail. Let's see if this works. Any scans would be Most Welcome. If I can't have one, at least I can look at a scan of one
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Regards,
Mike

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I must say I would far prefer a G10 model WITHOUT the pugs, than an FRN WITH the pugs.

Even better a g10 with the pugs, but I would not pay $100 more for those pugs, sorry.

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I know there was some confusion about wether the name Lynx was available or not, but if it does end up being named after a big cat of some kind, and it's made with G-10, couldn't there be just one pug milled into the handle, as sort of a signature? I know it wouldn't change the grip like the original pugs were intended to, but it would be much cheaper. Might look kinda cool, too. Here's to hoping at least one version makes it into production with G-10.

ZF
 
I want me some paw prints on that knife! I wonder if micarta is as difficult as G-10.
 
Folks,

Would the clip still be reversible with a G-10 handle?
If so, that would be my choice, hands down (which doesn't mean that I wouldn't buy it if it had to be FRN).

Leo

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Brian_Turner:


I liked the design and implementation as presented in Atlanta, and I think it makes a great "urban pocket carry" supplement to the Pro Hunter line, but without the size and heft, it's far from a replacement for the C48.


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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Brian_Turner:
Put the FRN handle and ATS-34 on the Lynx, and it's just another knife among hundreds. YET ANOTHER knife designed to chase the low-end consumer is not an improvement, it's a compromise.</font>
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If things were left to us knifenuts then every knife would be G10, Titanium, etc., with the latest exotic steel. Unfotunately we are only a tiny bit of the market, and sales to us is likewise just a tiny bit of the income it takes to keep Spyderco running.

If anything I forsee a seachange at Spyderco in the future with more FRN and less high-end versions. Right now the ratio of "mass-market" (FRN and steel handled) folders to high end (aluminum, G10, Micarta, and Ti handled) folders at Spyderco is about 2:1, with about 45 to 50 different models.

I expect that in the future that will shift closer to 3:1 or even 4:1, with the same number of models overall. I don't have any inside info, I'm just speculating based upon the number of discontinued high-end clipits floating out there, and the ones about to get cut -- most of them just don't sell well enough, including our beloved C48 -- as well as the number of new designs that were originaly conceived for G10 and are now being moved to FRN (example: Vesuvius).

I expect that in the future Spyderco will be be more choosy about which knives get put into the narrow >$100 and >$150 slots, with the handle materials and blade steels we prefer.

I dislike FRN too, but IMO an FRN Lynx is better than no Lynx at all.

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Carlos:

If anything I forsee a seachange at Spyderco in the future with more FRN and less high-end versions.</font>
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There are also a lot more McDonald's restaurants than Morton's. Just because there are more people out to save a buck by hitting the drive-thru doesn't mean that the high end steakhouses are going out of business anytime soon. It's up to each of us whether top-of-the-line quality is worth the expense and trouble. Bon appetit!
 
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