Spyderco Massad Ayoob

JD Spydo said:
OK That settles it!!! I think we are hearing enough voices from enough Spyderco fans to lobby for a re-introduction, Sprint run of a Massad Ayoob model with a different handle i.e. G-10, Peel Ply Carbon Fiber, anodized aluminum along with a blade with either ZDP-189, VG-10 again or maybe even CPM's new M-4 blade steel.

It was a great knife and for what ever reason we just didn't get enough of them made. They are getting incredibly difficult to come up with. I am sure you all have your own ideas as to what else would constitute a great Comeback model Ayoob variation. So let's hear what you all got to say. You have not because you ask not :cool:
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imho the prob rather than not enough made was not enough sold.

i have had a couple of ayoobs, IIRC i swapped one to JDspydo, and while they were pretty good knives they just never really "grabbed" me, tip down design is probably one reason, kinda slippery handle another, i do know that most people i showed them to didnt like them for whatever reason, maybe the angle the blade locks at??

if it was a tip up with G10 or micarta i might would check 1 out, made as it was before i would pass.

not a bad knife though, imho a lot like a spydie police........
 
Well if they redo the handle in FRN or G10 they could make it multi-clipable (ie up or down, left or right) correct? I would love to see the serrated Ayoob with a new handle re-released. I'd probably grab one if it wasn't too expensive.
 
For what it's worth, I'd like to see it with the G10 handle too. It was what I had originally designed into the C60, but I have a sense that with so many other G10 handled Spydercos coming out at about that time, a marketing decision was made to go to the different style.

Thanks for the kind words, folks.
 
Mr. Ayoob, welcome to this forum. Could you elaborate on the reasoning behind the, dare I say, exotic design of your Spyderco knife?
 
IIrc the cant of the blade was designed to make the knife stick out horizontal when gripped in a normal grip. The TDI has the same feature, you don't have to can't your wrist for the blade to be horizontal.
The MA is one of those spyderco's i have been searching for years now, but having limited financial sources it will be a blade that will never end up in my collection (unless i win the lottery) let alone be a EDC.
 
I think a new Massad Ayoob would be an excellent candidate for the Wave feature.
In tip-up design that is ofcourse,
:D
 
Massad Ayoob said:
For what it's worth, I'd like to see it with the G10 handle too. It was what I had originally designed into the C60, but I have a sense that with so many other G10 handled Spydercos coming out at about that time, a marketing decision was made to go to the different style.

Thanks for the kind words, folks.
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:eek: :D :thumbup:

Come on Sal!!! :)
 
Massad Ayoob said:
For what it's worth, I'd like to see it with the G10 handle too. It was what I had originally designed into the C60, but I have a sense that with so many other G10 handled Spydercos coming out at about that time, a marketing decision was made to go to the different style.

Thanks for the kind words, folks.
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Welcome Mr. Ayoob! Thanks for the great blade design collaboration as well. I hope to see a sprint run of this fine model in the future!:thumbup:
 
Ok, you've got our attention! ;)

Tell us more about what you would like to see.

Kristi
 
tazkristi said:
Ok, you've got our attention! ;)

Tell us more about what you would like to see.

Kristi
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Sounds good. :)

My suggestions:
* G-10 handle.
* Same lock as old model. It's always been 100% reliable during all my uses.
* VG-10 steel.
* 4 way clip.
* Fully serrated if only one blade style would be offered.

That's about it. Not much to improve really. The original see's (and has seen) a lot of pocket time. My only dislike is it tends to be slippery at times. I'd be sure to pick up one of the Sprint Runs.
 
*grippy handle (G-10 or carbonfiber)
*strong lock (if the old one is good, great)
*durable steel that won't rust and holds a sharp edge (whatever excels in those areas... VG-10? 154CM?)
*4-way clip (that can also be completely removed without impacting the stability of the scales)
*plain edge blade (full serrated option would be cool as well. since the old one was offered in both variants, hopefully the dies are still around for those and would make it easy to offer both again?)
 
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G-10 or Peel ply carbon fiber, VG-10 (or even better, S30V) and PE. I'll take two, please :D
 
Tizwin, the rationale was to get the blade directly in line with the radius bone of the forearm when the average human wrist was in the "locked" position, which puts the middle knuckle of the hand directly in line with the axis of the forearm.

This is what gives the C60 its superior stabbing accuracy that posters in this thread have mentioned, and it also gives tremendously more penetration, because it aligns the skeleto-muscular support structure of the arm with the point (number one), and therefore with anyone who knows how to put his weight behind a punch, gets the entire body's force going directly behind the point (number two).

As other posters have also noted, the handle-to-blade angle puts much more force behind a slash as well as a stab. Instead of the blade "skimming" over the target as it hits hard resistance such as bone, the 90 degree angle of the blade when held in reverse grip (and KEPT there by a handle shape that allows the thumb to lock it at that angle) the C60 is more likely to shear directly through whatever resistance it encounters. Because of the design features, something very similar happens with a slash from the conventional saber or pekal grasp.

As to the tip-down carry: I'm one of those early Spyderco fans whom Sal calls "Clipiteers," [:-)] who started their Spyderco experience with the original Police model, learned to open it with a pinch-snap, and discovered we could win bets beating guys with bali-songs and even "automatic knives" in opening speed. The pinch snap uses the gross motor movement of the closed hand instead of the more fine-motor skill of using the thumb to open the blade via the original design intent of the "Spyder-hole."

As has also been noted (you guys n' gals are sharp, no pun intended) the C60 had ambi holes drilled so the clip could be moved for southpaws. I did not consider tip-up carry in the design parameters, and would have to go back and play with the concept a lot more to see how well it would work in that fashion. I realize that a lot of folks are as habituated to tip-up carry as I am to tip-down.

And needless to say, I'll give a +1 to the sprint run suggestion...:-)
 
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